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I have an incredible, very sweet cockatoo for sale.
Hand fed, trained Umbrella Cockatoo named Saki, valued around $5000
Selling for $1000 to get quick placement. Valued as follows:
1) Hand fed Cockatoo: $1500
2) 3 tricks/behaviors at $1000 each - $3000
3) “half” training on two other behaviors (box and bag) - $1000

12 years old - Performed in Magic Shows – 8 years – life expectancy 60 years
After “retirement”, Saki was placed with male for breeding. She has a good disposition for bonding with another bird. She really loved him, but he was too rough with her. Now that I have separated them, she needs new stimulation and a new friend, immediately.
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Her training includes: fly to magician from back of venue, “display” (open wings and raise crest) on command, potty trained. Her primary job in the show is flying, although, as a backup bird for other exotic bird effects in the show, she has been bagged and boxed. She could learn other things with a little time. She loves to cuddle, and is a good petting bird with most individuals, and with crowds, within limits. She is accustomed to pyrotechnics. Good habits: does not scream or yell, does not have bad habits that damage her feathers, does not bite. She travels well, by air, car or ship, showing no trauma from travel or from changes in environment.
Her flight is very pretty and smooth. I have had other cockatoos, who all fly differently – for instance, one flies very powerfully with hard landings. In contrast, Saki flies very beautifully, gliding smoothly, with graceful landing. With me, she became used to my bow after her landing, and she began dipping in a “bow” like movement at the same time. On the down side, she was trained with affection, not with food. So the new owner will have to take the time to bond with her, as opposed to simply getting immediate cooperation by offering a food treat. Right now, bonding would be easy. I just sold all my birds but Saki. She is so lonely that it is imperative that she have a new friend. Since she was handfed from birth, she is heavily imprinted with people, and would be very responsive to caring attention. If you would not have time to spend with her daily for a while, you should not get this bird. She is eating less in her loneliness, and the new owner needs to be prepared to make a serious job of getting her back on an even keel. It will take only a little time each day – but it will have to be consistent .I have very little time right now, or I would be keeping her. But she may starve herself soon if she does not get a new friend to be involved with her. For someone wanting to have an exotic pet, or an exotic animal in an act, this is a very opportune time to get a proven and beautiful bird to bond solidly. It’s a key to her devotion and willingness. So – save her life, and do the bonding needed for performance at the same time.
When you inquire, please include your phone number. I am so concerned that she needs a home immediately that I’ll respond right away. Thanks.
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It's a pity that you are selling this bird. Parrots are routine birds. Why is this bird on a hunger strike? Also, parrots bond to their owner or caretakers. It would be hard for the bird to adjust to another owner and environment. With all the positive traits this bird has, what is your "real" reason for selling this bird?

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Has this bird started any self mutilating behavior since you seperated her from her bonded mate?

Or started a scream fest?

I'm kind of with Lou...what's the "real" reason?

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I agree with the two above posts. Why is the bird going to starve itself? Why are you not able to take care of the bird now, opposed to the past? Why obtain all of the birds you have had, just to get rid of them in the long run? You had to have known they live a long time, and they aren't just a prop to buy and then resell.

All birds scream, it is a natural instinct... and it's hard to believe this one doesn't at all. That's like saying a dove won't coo. Correct me if I'm wrong guys.

Also, "half" training in my opinion isn't worth $1000. I'm sure Womach can attest to that. They are either trained - or they are not.

Also, "save this birds life". Are you implying that if no one purchases her from you, you are going to let her die?

Sorry if I am coming off as snippy, but this just does not sound credible at all.

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I agree.
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Wow you guys are brutal!!! On a possitive note I have a friend that takes in abused and neglected parrots. He has had great success with them even to the point of training them and using them in his show. He simply uses good old TLC. Just a thought for anyone interested in bailing her out.

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Hi paula, you may want to contact steve and maria august, I know they sometimes take in animals or may be able to point you in the right direction...
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It seemed clear that Paula said the bird has no self mutilating habits in her post. Or didn't the first two repliers read that? It seems evident the reason she is getting rid of the birds she had is because she doesn't have the time to spend with them. Those of you who have cockatoos (I know Puck has one) know how demanding they are. They don't call them "Velcro Birds" for nothing. Not to anthropomorphise but birds can become depressed and their appetites will suffer. I applaud her for realizing she can't take care of the birds needs and is seeking alternate care for the animal. I wish you the best of luck paula in placing your bird.
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Magic Café readers – Lots of interest in big birds out there! Thank you for your Private Messages and personal e-mail to me at illusionesse@hotmail.com ! (I removed the old web address from my profile, and the old e-mail address that I no longer have. Thanks for pointing it out!!!) I LOVE talking about birds. Some of you have just about convinced me to write a book. Granted, I have had more questions about working with big birds than I have regarding Saki. But, that’s fine … I intended my post to make a person consider all the facts carefully before committing to a cockatoo. I want to make sure she goes to the right person. She is a gem. If I stated the case with high drama (“save her life” “starving herself”); please pardon any misconceptions that may have caused. (C’mon, I’m a performer with an emotional attachment to the subject!) In short, Saki is a real big eater. But lately, she has eaten 1/4 her usual, plus whatever I hand feed her every day. I am used to her eating a lot, thus my concern. I don’t know how long a bird can go on shortened rations. She scared me. (I was saving her life with hand feeding. With a major trip coming up, I needed someone to take over.)

What I DID know is that it wouldn’t take much to snap her out of it. She’s always been my most well-adjusted bird. Well, she didn’t wait for a great deal of stimulation to come around. The answer was popcorn. Go figure. After I put popcorn in her food bowl 2 days ago, she went back to her normal rate of food consumption. She is back on pellets, which I rely on for the full nutrition for a bird.

But that doesn’t change the fact that I am selling all my birds. Saki is the only one of my 3 birds I will offer on this site. I have each bird’s personality in mind as to where I’ll place or offer them. The two other birds - Getting them into an act was not as important as getting handlers who could really hold their own with one, very naughty and bites, and the other, very very demanding). Saki is the only one who has a flexible enough personality for me to offer for sale here, and know that the buyer will be delighted. Previous experience with Exotic Birds not necessary. Love and time necessary. And, as much as she loves her flying, a magician, who will have her fly, is the best place for her, I think. Another reason she can be offered is that she will bond … easily. I know her. I raised her, and know how she has reacted to babysitters in the past. That is why she is the only one offered here.

I just looked at the posts above, and, my goodness! JTW, you read me right. Thank you for your on-target insight and your good wishes. But, if folks want to get all cranky, hey, it's their blood pressure, not mine. I’m afraid most of the above is just not constructive. Today, I have a few minutes to address a couple of the things that people brought up. If the disagreeable sound of the posts here were inspired by my poor verbiage, once again, you have my apology. However, in the future, I think it would be more civilized – and probably get a more constructive conversation going – if someone wants to pose a question in a genuinely forthcoming – or polite - way. If you are interested in Saki - I’ll be glad to take any time needed for Miss Saki. But if you are just in desperate need of attention - Go pick a fight with someone else.

About birds - It takes dedicated time to keep intelligent animals stimulated … And my current work in China keeps me away from the birds way too much. I produce, these days, not perform., so – no justification to take the birds everywhere I go. Why leave them with babysitters of varied degrees of devotion, when I can find new, exciting homes for them? Through the years, laymen and magicians alike have often expressed a wish to own this type of bird. I already have a great home for Saki with a non-magician if I do not find a magic home for her. But I’ll keep her available for a while, in case someone, wanting to add a big bird to their act, comes along. (It’s nice for the buyer to know that the bird you are getting is “proven”, no surprise behavior as it grows up, like biting, etc.) I am making her available because I know how thrilled I would be to get this bird for this price when I did my bird act. By the way, thank you to those of you who offering ideas for housing, but I am not interested in places that take in abused or neglected birds. That is not an option. She has a good life where she is. But, she has had a pretty exciting life, performing in shows since birth, and there are certainly places that are more stimulating than her present life here. Or, a home where she will be played with a lot. She is going to be someone’s little princess, just as she has always been mine. Preferably, but not necessarily, performing and flying
A couple more items, here - Saki does “yell” a strange "yell". Her beak opens, a funny little hoarse sound comes out. Maybe one day it will change into a full Cockatoo scream, but at 12 years old, it seems to be the way she expresses herself, and it is (thankfully) not disruptive. She does have a voice, as she can manage "Pretty Bird" and "Bye-Bye" on rare occasions. She has proven to be much quieter than my other birds.

As for the rest, my post is what it is - an offer to sell an absolutely wonderful bird. I made it clear that she has good habits and training. However, I want the would-be owner to know 2 things 1) from a strictly realistic view, this is an above-average bird and 2) as nice as that sounds, she will require attention and stimulation - , so don’t consider this if you are not prepared to invest time. My statements are all based on knowing cockatoos well, and knowing each of my birds’ personalities. As for “hunger strike” … she was eating bananas and apples (no pellets), since I did what I SAID needed to be done – take a little time each day to sit with her… time that is hard for me to come by, these days. She was lonely, but not chronically depressed. Big difference. Anyway, she’s eating, now, and the point is moot.

She deserves someone who will dote on her, and give her an interesting life. She started working at 6 weeks old, and she really likes the job. As for boxes and bags, she has worked with a handler to the point that she is comfortable with confinement, and that’s more than half the battle… she will put up with being bagged or boxed. But I don’t consider the bird to be completely indoctrinated to a trick until they look forward to doing it, like doing it (with affection training), or, they display well (with food training). My “bag bird” Sidney used to do a little backbend to push himself up into his bag. And Saki DOES display grandly after flight, but she is sulky coming out of a box. I’d be happy to work with a new owner on how to change that behavior. It would take some time on the part of the new owner, but the basics are already imprinted with the bird.

Since cockatoos have been a happy and important part of my life, I can wax poetic all day regarding birds, but this post is quite long enough. These kids are more than employees – they are a part of the family. (Not that I deny the value of a strictly professional association with performing animals.). There are many happy stories to tell, and Saki has a good 30 - 40 years worth of happy stories to make. Nothing is more fun that watching the faces of USDA-APHIS-VS vets when they are checking her over at an airport, and she “poops” on her paper, on command.
Note: Saki has physical ID and hatchery papers. I will share all I know about USDA permits, Interior Dept and Cites permits, procedures, etc.

In closing, This site seemed like a good place to post availability of a nice bird.. When I used to read things here, it looked like a great place to exchange ideas, experience, common interests. A lot of Pros seemed to come here. It’s not realistic to hope for like-minds when addressing the general public. (You have to be a little thick-skinned for what different personalities have to say about the performing livestock.) But working with animals requires a real respect for their needs and responsibility for their lives. Even if that means saying goodbye to a precious one, their quality of life should be considered. If someone reading this gets nervous after reading the kind of comments this has drawn, take it with a grain of salt. If I had posted a fact-based-only note (which most of it was), no emotional overtones, maybe the responses to my message would not have been so far off base. To someone who would love to have a bird - it is you for whom I am taking the time to write. If you are the considerate and excited person who will enjoy Saki, you may feel assured that she is coming from someone who is knowledgeable about birds, who will offer support if you want it, and who has a desire to see bird and new owner both benefit.
Thank you for your time. Even if you are not in the market for a bird, I hope this post has contained a few nibbles of information about Exotic Birds that you find interesting. They are fun and fascinating.
Cordially, Paula Paul
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Puck - Amen to the good ol' TLC!
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JTW the point is, before buying a bird it is a known fact that you are geting a pet for life. Scratch that - it SHOULD be known fact that you are getting a pet for life. Having a cockatoo is the equivalent of having a two year old child... would you sell your child?

The fact remains, if you can't take care of your bird now, you shouldn't have bought one in the first place.
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We have a bird farm in SW Florida that takes in unwanted birds, especially cockatoos. The owner told me it has gotten so bad with cockatoo donations that she now has to charge the doners between 200.00 to 300.00 because it is hard to find homes for these birds and this covers alittle of their upkeep. I have a Mollucan Cockatoo and believe me they are a lot of work. As Paula said above, get a cockatoo only if you can give a lot of attention and TLC.
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Justin the comment about a two year old child is a bit anthropomorphic for me.

Sell a child? No of course not but if I were unable to care for a child I would want the best for them (I have seen first hand what neglect does to a chlid). I firmly believe in adoption (I have personal experience in this area).

I agree that the animal should never have been purchased in the first place- not simply because the owner can no longer devote time to caring for the animal. In my opinion people should not own birds for any reason (this is a philosophical/ moral stance and we can discuss it privately- but not here).

People lives change, sometimes drastically. I do not fault Paula (or anyone for that matter) for realizing they are unable to continue giving care to an animal they love. I have seen many instances of animal neglect and will not fault a person for trying to place a pet in a better situation.

Next time try opening your mind to other possibilities and scenarios- sometimes life isn't black and white...
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Donsmagic –
What your friend is doing is a real kindness, and a lot of hard work! If I may be of any help … like, if she wants to do some brainstorming on how to reach people to buy or adopt cockatoos, I’d be happy to see what we could come up with. When my husband was a breeder – wholesaler – retailer, he had good results. There are so many people who want to give a good home to a pet-quality bird, but can’t afford a hand-fed baby. Most adult cockatoos make marvelous pets. (Amazons and African Greys don’t adopt well.) To place adult birds, knowing its personality really helps. Then, being totally CANDID with the prospect, so they can make an informed decision.

In addition, if any of the birds she gets are flexible, and trained, I can attest that this (Magic Café) is a good forum for finding people who really want a good performing bird. (Just ignore the nay-sayers.) I am getting DVDs of some bird acts from folks with a track record, and nice correspondence from bird lovers here and abroad. For my bird – just finding a good home for her is not my #1 choice … rather, a fun lifestyle, where her flying is a part of everyday life, is.

Anyway, please feel free to give your friend my email address: illusionesse@hotmail.com
Cordially, pp

P.S. JTW – Yes. Neglect is a shame.
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My mind is open to almost all possibilities and scenerios... but when it comes to neglect towards an animal, in my mind, it is all black and white.

To quote: "So – save her life, and do the bonding needed for performance at the same time." - In my mind that implies that if no one can afford this "5000" dollar bird, then she is going to be left to die. As for the quotes on the 5000, I don't think an estimate can be put on any living thing... as for what they are worth. They are just priceless in themselves; it is just a matter of how much one wishes to sell one for.

I don't want to get on the subject of moral and immoralness with you - philosophically or not. The fact of the matter is, if you want to come off as someone who takes care of their animals, then don't play the pity card and make people feel that if they don't do something, that this animal is going to be in harms way.

Everyone has problems and changes in their lives, and the solution to that is planning ahead of time for certain situations. While some things remain unpredictable, preparation is necessary for your responsibilities, such as, animal care. Yes, you are 100% right, they are "velcro birds"... all the more reason NOT to obtain such an animal if you aren't sure, or don't prepare, for what might and might not happen. Obviously, realistically, you can't prepare for everything... but this in my opinion, and I'm sure in others, is avoidable.
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You keep using the word "fact" Justin. Each time you have used it there are no facts to support your statements, only opinions.

Yes, neglect is a black and white issue for me as well- either it is or isn't. I think Paula has done a good job of explaining her words and actions. I don't suspect neglect has anything to do (or ever did) with this bird. Interestingly I never suspected the bird was in danger from the statement you quoted- simply because Paula was posting about getting the bird placed. Maybe a little dramatic I agree but I never sensed the animal was in danger. I guess it's all how you read it...

The only real solution to this problem is to never buy a bird period.

JTW out
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And you keep using the word anthropomorphic out of its right context... but I'm not one to point that out...

My post has nothing BUT facts in it.

If you don't sense an animal is in danger when someone states that someone ELSE needs to save its life, then you aren't a true animal enthusiast like the many on here. And if you truly believe that animals aren't to be purchased and kept, then why talk on the animals section of a message board?

BTW are you on a walkie talkie?
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JTW – For giggles, I looked at other posts by those who have posted here. I am flattered that you appeared on this page - seriously. You have thoughtful, smart comments when you choose to write. And, you usually post only where the Big Boys go. Thanks to you, I had a delightful time, reading some intelligent, informative conversations among experienced, super-smart contributors. It restored my faith in this site.

By contrast I was heartbroken that one of the “factual” experts here knows that his dove bangs into the sides of her cage and slams into walls when she is provoked, yet poses nor asks for a solution to avoid that. No wonder this guy takes my drama so seriously … his threshold for how much a bird can take is pretty high. Mine is so low, that I start yelling. “the sky is falling” the moment Saki crosses her eyes.

Being a glutton for punishment, I read other threads that wat-ziz-name is in. Wow. Sad. And the self-delusion is even sadder. There’s really nothing you can do about it. There are unmistakable examples of several people telling him something over and over in plain English, and he just-doesn’t-get-it. A lot like my little sister, who has a learning disability. (I'm not putting down learning disabilities. My sister makes me very proud. She works hard.) In that case, he really can't help himself - just let him rattle.

Anyway, JTW, you have piqued my interest – elsewhere on site - in the tech department. It may not be this week, but please keep an eye out for me in the media area. I have a serious gamer’s machine, an unbelievable ear (I actually used to nail cassette (!!!) edits to the wall), a fair share of computer savvy, but am at zero when it comes to setting up the (really basic) hardware/software for creating and editing sound. I’ve imported music, faded & overlapped into Power Point presentations, but, nothing serious. I could save SO MUCH production time if I could simply do my own voiceovers, again Maybe (the eager kid in us never dies!) you can point me in the right direction? See ya’ there!
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Paula,
Anything I can help with let me know. I'll keep an eye out or just PM me.
Cheers,
JTW


To Justin

Dictionary.com defines Anthropomorphic as the attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena

You posted "Having a cockatoo is the equivalent of having a two year old child...would you sell your child?"

If you are not attributing human characteristics to an animal with that statement perhaps I misread the meaning of your post.

I don't understand the concept of calling out a person who is making an educated and heartfelt decision about placing an animal they can no longer care for- regardless of the reasons.

Best of luck to you Justin I hope your truly keep an open mind here...
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I have had an open mind on here for a very long time now, longer than you perhaps, and I'm not calling anyone out, by any means, and I am obviously not the only person who thinks the whole story isn't posted in its entirety regarding this bird.

Paula if you are talking about me in your most recent post I would be greatful if you directed it at me, and not at JTW. If you do not like my posts, simply don't read it... it isn't that hard. You obviously do not want to acknowledge me, so why speak about me?

About your little sister who has a learning disability, I feel for her. I have a best friend who I have been helping throughout my life (he is older than me) with his problems - and they are obviously nothing to joke about. With that said, using her to jab at someone else to make them look beneath you is just simply lack of good character, which obviously you know a little something about. If anyone takes you seriously after that rant, I wish them luck.

As for the doves, whether it is me you were speaking about or not, they are known for their non-intellectual ways. Doves in training for flyback will fly into almost anything that is in their flight path. And as for flying into the side of the cage - as any dove caretaker knows - they have the ability to jump at any little noise. Doves are a different species than cockatoos, so I really wouldn't compare my "expertise" on the two of them. I have, however, worked in a pet store for a very long time, and have raised every parrot you can think of. I have also taught classes on these birds (mainly care taking and behavior, with some tricks here and there), and I also taught owners how to hand raise and feed them. So if you want to call me a "factual" expert, feel free - you on the other hand, obviously are not.

What I will do now is disregard anything else that you say,s you are not credible, just based on the fact that you personally attacked someone that is just proving a well deserved point. If you have less faith in this site because of that, then you will have a problem with a lot of people on here.

As I do not wish you luck personally, I do wish your bird luck... and I hope someone "saves his life" soon, or it will be another innocent animal life wasted.

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