The Magic Cafť
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index Ľ Ľ The Gambling Spot Ľ Ľ Fast Company it wasn't. (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4 [Next]
Paul H
View Profile
Inner circle
UK South Coast
1127 Posts

Profile of Paul H
Hi CC,

I walked away changed....and without any change.

Regards,

Paul H
card cheat
View Profile
Elite user
426 Posts

Profile of card cheat
Exactly.
Alewishus
View Profile
Inner circle
parts unknown
1205 Posts

Profile of Alewishus
The people who "hurt themselves" and "plunge their families into hardship" by losing money to a cheat are usually compulsive gamblers; this type is going to lose their money anyway, regardless of whether the game is fixed or not. Psychologically speaking, the compulsive gambler wants to lose.


Wake up, it's not losing if you're cheated, whether you're talking about a pathological gambler or whatever!

You guys always say "lose" instead of steal.

A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper.
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devilís Island
15737 Posts

Profile of tommy
Cheating at poker is obtaining money by deception - but that is poker. Smile The sucker gives you his money you don't take it without his permission. Taking something without permission is stealing. Both are criminal offences. In the eyes of the law they are not the same offence. I agree with your point none the less.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
silverking
View Profile
Inner circle
4586 Posts

Profile of silverking
Considering the morals of cheating at the card table is not really anyting that is going to help this forum develop.
Personally, I'm not here for a discussion on the ethics of good living, and the evils of larceny minded activity such as cheating at playing cards.

I'm interested in the techniques and history of all things related to gambling, and that includes all forms of cheating used while gambling is taking place.

Sleights, methods, techniques, etc....are all of great interest to me, I don't choose to distinguish between sleights used in card magic, and sleights used in card cheating......they're all sleights, and this forum exists to discuss them.

There are a lot of areas where the ethics of modern society can be discussed, and on those forums they don't discuss card handling.

It would be great (although probably not at all likely) if we could discuss card handling and gambling here without the need to remind each other of our personal ethics.

Here's to hoping.
Alewishus
View Profile
Inner circle
parts unknown
1205 Posts

Profile of Alewishus
To use that pop psychology the cheats are so fond of...
It's kinda like that guy that jumps outta the Hummer and you say to yourself, he's making up for some kinda short coming.
Well, any guy that calls himself "card cheat" on a gambling forum - which is really a magic forum with special interests - well, he's coming up short on the cheating part.
I'm sure he'll post on how it's not the size, but how you use it...

Anyway, still wondering what it takes or means to be a card cheat.

Super powers aren't involved I gather?

A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper.
Mr. Z
View Profile
Special user
Las Vegas, NV
826 Posts

Profile of Mr. Z
Maybe he just likes Hummers? (giggle)

Super-powers aren't a necessity but they certainly help if you can get em.
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
Alewishus
View Profile
Inner circle
parts unknown
1205 Posts

Profile of Alewishus
Yes, and I like hummers too.

I'm really interested on what it takes.

Being neither a magician or cheat...

Card cheat, come out and play....

A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper.
Andrei
View Profile
Veteran user
Romania
352 Posts

Profile of Andrei
I propose a video-a-thon. Whoever has the bestest, most lovely SWE shift wins.

Participans should wear an "I cheat at cards" T-Shirt so we know it's for real.

Andrei
silverking
View Profile
Inner circle
4586 Posts

Profile of silverking
Be well in your thoughts.

For your easy reference, and cut directly from the Gambling Spot forum description "History, theory and ideas surrounding the mysterious world of the unscrupulous gambler"

We of course note that "ethics" isn't included in the forum guidelines, and therefore it isn't a stretch to ask that it be excluded from discussion.
Alewishus
View Profile
Inner circle
parts unknown
1205 Posts

Profile of Alewishus
"theory and ideas"
I wonder what that could mean?
Would it include motivation and psychology?
Could it entail a cheaters ethos?
What does it mean when we refer to someone as a kike or a dink or a square or a mark or a sucker? Whose with it?
What does it mean when Ednase says every man wants the best of it, and isn't that the 'weakness' that is the cornerstone of the con?
You want to discuss gambling without ethics?
You're just invoking another ethic, and most of this stuff is far more interesting than the stuff about eliminating finger flash on the bottom deal!
I'm off to save some lives.


A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper.
silverking
View Profile
Inner circle
4586 Posts

Profile of silverking
You are very well spoken, and I shall contemplate your point of view.
bishthemagish
View Profile
Inner circle
6036 Posts

Profile of bishthemagish
While all this was going on Vandy and I just switched in a cooler and just for fun I loaded in a elephant under the table to be produced from an inpromtu chop cup routine.
Glenn Bishop Cardician

Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro

Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs
Mr. Z
View Profile
Special user
Las Vegas, NV
826 Posts

Profile of Mr. Z
You're a clever one bishy.
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
mxray
View Profile
Loyal user
276 Posts

Profile of mxray
This thread is a little like being invited to someone else's family reunion, and then a fistfight starts and it turns into a family brawl: Its amusing yet disturbing, at times a little ugly and even admittedly somewhat educational. You know you should look away, but just can't bring yourself to.
Nonetheless, an intriguing read, guys.

I can only add that the casino party company I work evenings for gets occasional calls for a dealer for the night at some home games once in a while. Usualy its low no-limit. But sometimes it gets a little unnerving, seeing the monety that gets played, and yes, often by people that don't even know if their hand beat someone else's after they've laid them down.
MXRay
Alewishus
View Profile
Inner circle
parts unknown
1205 Posts

Profile of Alewishus
O J,
Iím more interested in what a card cheat thinks is wrong.
If I say that itís stealing, itís because I want to know if a card cheat thinks itís stealing. Heck, I want to know if the person even considers himself a card cheat!
Some persons have told me that whatever happens at the card table is perfectly fine as long as youíre not caught. If you get away with it, itís not even cheating! Now thereís some insight (thanks tommy). Iím not going to change his mind, but unless we compare our zeitgeists so to speak, Iím never getting this stuff.
Others call themselves cheats, and believe what theyíre doing is stealing, and appear to have no qualms about it, but for some, thereís always a backup story rationalizing what they do.
Now I want to know, if a guy is so comfortable doing what he does, why the rhetoric about teaching a guy a lesson, or the rationalization that ďtheyíre going to lose anyway, may as well be to meĒ, or the one in this thread about some guys wanting to lose.
Is there a cheaters mythology?
Thereís even a cheat that will only say that no man but God will be his judge. With him itís really hard to figure where he stands.
Anyway, I hope you can see where Iím going.
And I donít think you have to be a card cheat or gambler to be interested in the happenings of this form, just like you donít have to be a serial killer to be interested in serial killers.

Btw I donít find serial killers all that interesting.
I mean they get all worked up, do their thing, and then itís cleaning, cooking and crafts, all of which I find very boring.

A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper.
Mr. Z
View Profile
Special user
Las Vegas, NV
826 Posts

Profile of Mr. Z
Everyone loves the idea of "easy money."
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
Josh Riel
View Profile
Inner circle
of hell
1932 Posts

Profile of Josh Riel
Quote:
On 2006-04-30 23:46, mxray wrote:
This thread is a little like being invited to someone else's family reunion, and then a fistfight starts and it turns into a family brawl


I think it's more like crashing the family reunion of a family with which you are currently feuding, and commenting on the general icky-ness if the family in general, loudly, [i] and expecting someone to listen[i] on top of that not even understanding why they think you are a fool.

I think the people who have joined this topic with the Idea in mind to teach the cheaters of the wrongness of their ways, are foolish. Unless you can think of another reason this would be located directly under the heading "Cons, Swindles and Scams"?

Regardless of our personal beliefs, one would have to reason that this would not really be the proper media to express ones dislike of cheating..... or am I just crazy?
With this reasoning, one might venture into a brothel and quietly walk into a room currently occupied and attempt to tell the patron why, mid-coitus, he should hike his drawers and skidaddle to church. There are other times people.
I think the brothel example is funny. I must retain it in my memory for future use. I think that I will change certain words to their profane counterpart though. It will heighten the hilarity, don't you agree?
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
Alewishus
View Profile
Inner circle
parts unknown
1205 Posts

Profile of Alewishus
Quote:
On 2006-05-01 00:49, Mr. Z wrote:
Everyone loves the idea of "easy money."

I can't argue with that; well I could but I won't because I belive it...


A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper.
tommy
View Profile
Eternal Order
Devilís Island
15737 Posts

Profile of tommy
At the poker table there is an unwritten law that says: "Anyone caught cheating will get severely punished by the players." All players that I know subscribe to that law. So they canít have their cake and eat it, as far as Iím concerned, I see nothing wrong in, cheating a lynch mob. So long as they don't catch me. Smile
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

Tommy
The Magic Cafe Forum Index Ľ Ľ The Gambling Spot Ľ Ľ Fast Company it wasn't. (0 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.14 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL