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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Hi Jesse,
I'm happy to hear it is possible to have a card come put of the Tic Tic box. It seems now this card cannot be signed. Can you pull a signed card out of the box as the video showed? Cheers, Jon
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teevtee Special user 963 Posts |
I'm trying to talk in GENERALTIES here since I have already commented about InTact.
But IN GENERAL a demo video needs to not only show what is possible to do with the trick but also what the description says the trick can do. For example, if the description say you do not need to use a force (freely choses card) and the card can be signed, then THAT is what the demo needs to show. As elierfr points out if you need to force a card then the trick is no longer what it says it was. So to use Mystery Box as an example I could show a demo of a card ACTUALLY being removed from the box. I mean I could show a CLEAR close up of a folded card being slowly removed from the box and unfolded. You see OF COURSE it is possible to fold a card and place it in the Mystery Box, then to force that card but that is NOT the purpose of the Mystery Box or what it was designed to do. I could also show the Mystery Box holding some ground pepper sititng in a dining table. I mean it COULD do that, serve as a nice spice holder, but that is not what it was designed to do. So Demos need to show what the description says it can do and nothing more. The true shame here is that some otherwise good effects get a bad name because the videos over promise. |
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joyce New user Singapore 41 Posts |
Well said, Teevtee.. I agree with you.
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Benji Bruce Special user 930 Posts |
It seems that all of you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying that Jessiahs demo was to show the effect in the spectators mind. the spectator believes that the card is coming out of the box just like the spectator believes it comes out of the box in the mystery box. everyone here seems to think that I'm comparing the METHODS of mystery box and INTACT. I'm comparing the MAGICAL EFFCT of the two. his demo just expressed the EFFECT. a card appears inside the box and you take it out showing that it is the same card. I know exactly what problem everyone here is having. I didn't think the demo was good at all to sell the trick because when we buy it we are getting the METHOD. the demos purpose was to only show the effect
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Hi BBMagic,
Do you really think the demo was on the buying page merely to show the effect and not to entice people to buy the product having seen the demo??? Exactly where on the demo did it say somethig like "Only possible in the minds of the audience"? Do you think it would be right for me to do a demo of the self-folding note effect that made it look like I simply borrrowed a bill, laid it on my hand and went straigth into the effect? I can't think if any other demo I have ever seen where it shows the effect the audience will take away with them as opposed to showig an honest routine or performance. The effect of 'Cut & Restored' rope is that the magicians cuts an examined piece of rope into two pieces and puts it back together again and hands it out. Can I do a demo where I actually *do* cut a piece of rope into two pieces and put it back together and hand it out? A demo is not meant to show the method or the effect in the minds of the audience; it is to show a *real performance* of the trick with the props required. Hopefully the new demo will show this. it will be good to finally see a review from someone who has doen it for people.
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teevtee Special user 963 Posts |
BBMagic:
The difference is that demo videos are NOT performance pieces meant to entertain lay audiences. They are SALES devices meant to show MAGICIANS what they actually get and what a method ACTUALLY does. If you get the two confused (which you have) then I could hook myself up to a crane and shoot a video of me floating a foot off the ground... then after you see that I could sell you a 1 page manuscript on how to do the Balduci Levetation... heck, in the MIND of the audience they will THINK you floated off the ground right? A demo video is just that, a DEMONSTRATION of the effect... start to finish, what it REALLy is as if you were there live watching it in a store. That is TOTALLY different than interpretting what the audeince may think they saw. |
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Jesse Feinberg Inner circle www.jessesmagic.com 1074 Posts |
I think you guys are taking this a bit too far... Buy it or don't. I can't please everyone. I am making a new demo, so maybe that will help some of your decisions... No one was ever mislead... the description of intact and the contents of the first video are a DIRECT representation of what you learn how to do. The new video will show even more, so theres nothing to complain about. Ask Lynetta, she had some great tips experimenting with a full size card appearing inside. Its up to the magician to add new handlings... I give you all the basics and a full routine (the description) and you take it from there. Including help in my forums
please keep this demo video talk out of here. This thread is for reviews and discussion of my new trick intact! I agree, I am excited to get some real worked reviews! The conspiracy talk is silly, the demands are ridiculous. Im just asking for you to let me work my magic -Jesse Feinberg |
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
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On 2006-05-05 14:37, Jessiah wrote: Hi Jesse, I don't have ridiculaous demands. I had three questions each requiring a yes or no and none have been answered. 1. Can you remove the card exactly as shown in the video? 2. However, if I cannot remove the card as shown in the original demo, do I get a refund? 3. Can you pull a signed card out of the box as the video showed? I have not had a simple yes or no answer to any of these questions. As the creator, you should be able to answer such simple and direct questions that absolutely are at the heart of a decision to buy. Demanding? I don't think so. I would appreciate a yes or no to each of the questions above. If you can't do so then people can make up there own minds.....
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Jesse Feinberg Inner circle www.jessesmagic.com 1074 Posts |
I never said a signed card could be inside the box. intact creates that illusion! that's what I don't understand here. what are you trying to call me out for. And your right, forcing a card, you could put it anywhere... but if you don't know the inner workings of intact, then you cant make it appear inside a tic tac box!!!! that's what intact is!
All of the above questions have already been answered! Some by me, and some by others. I don't understand how you cant get this clear. When I released intact, it included a description and demo. Both are accurate. YES!!!!! Everything you see is possible. The original effect (what is being marketed and sold) is exactly what the description explains. The video showed me including other handling that are totally real and possible. They are explained in my forum. The instructions in intact tell you to go to my forum to register your product (with proof of purchase, quote, etc). I am not trying to show you something that is not real and then sell you. don't compare me to David Blaines levitation sequences... Jon, when you buy intact... you will learn exactly as the description reads. I cant be misleading anyone if that were true. The extra handling everyone is so giddy about is in my forum (or in a simple PM or email). I cant make it any more clear and easy. I am not going to specifically break down your 123 because I feel that discussion of handlings can be sensitive. I hope that my yes above answers everything, and if you read some of the other threads above, you will understand whats going on. -Jesse |
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Mehtas Inner circle England, UK 1649 Posts |
The way card was removed from the box is not possible (unless I'm missing something)
So why was it shown in the "trailer" is beyond even the Jesse supporters. Jon has a fair point asking for a refund if the card cant be removed the way it was shown in your demo. I've stated before that I can think of few methods to remove the card BUT, the way that card is removed in the demo is the diffrence between a knockout & UNknockout. That's why there is such a fuss about removing the card from the box. there would not have been such a big issue if that part was not shown at the first place. |
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Platt Inner circle New York 2015 Posts |
Let the man breath until the new video comes out. I think it's clear now: You can't reach into the box and pull out a signed card. Using methods not directly related to the gimmick, you can reach in and pull out an unsigned card.
I've been talking with Jesse. He's a nice guy and has a very nice product. He knows *** well on his new video he must not blur the lines of what can and can't be done. One segment will show how his effect looks in reality to everyone. Another segment might show alternate handlings. It will be made clear that if a card is being truly pulled out of the case, it is not the signed card. Personally I hope he doesn't even go there because this has nothing to do with his effect. And if for some reason the lines are blurred, I will join the masses in cursing him out. He's made his mistakes. He now knows better. Again, let's leave him alone until the new video is posted on Monday.
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ClouDsss Inner circle 1799 Posts |
I am just wondering despite the controversy from the PTA video which he jollywell knows the problem in misleading the buyers that you cannot use the supplied gimmick to pop the pen right thru and out the other side as shown in the demo. Since that's the case, why do the same thing again in InTact's Vid?
Jessiah: I saw the demo and really liked the idea that the card can be INSIDE the box and that you can OPEN it and PULL OUT the card as shown in the DEMO. I am going to buy this item FOR THAT EFFECT ALONE (PULLING OUT OF THE BOX AND PLACING EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE FOR EXAMINATION AS SEEN). Now, if the supplied gimmick cannot achieve that, DO I GET A REFUND for MISPRESENTATION in your demo? that's wat I wanna know before I purchase it. I think this question is legitmate and have not yet been answered. Would appreciate if you can answer this. Best regards
Think outside the box, cos people are all thinking inside now!! - ClouDsss
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katty New user 39 Posts |
Just cann't understand why Jesse don't stand up and answer Mr.Allen's three YES or NO questions!!??
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ClouDsss Inner circle 1799 Posts |
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On 2006-05-05 16:12, katty wrote: I think he cant as that would mean refunding quite a number of people for having beem misled by the demo
Think outside the box, cos people are all thinking inside now!! - ClouDsss
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Jesse Feinberg Inner circle www.jessesmagic.com 1074 Posts |
Quite a number of people???? no refund would ever be necessary here... your the only few that have ever complained. I am feeling less and less inclined to respond to these posts... so keep it up!
The video you saw was not a performance of intact. One part shows a card being removed from a tic tac box. NO, not a signed card, and it never appeared there... it was NOT A PERFORMANCE. Its a yes and no answer Jon. Yes, a real folded card can appear inside just as you saw. I will prove it in the demo! No, it will not be the same as the trailer because that was not a real performance. You never saw it appear there did you? It was meant to drive home the illusion. I didn't hook myself up to a crane, or cut out shots of me ditching gaffs to people of camera. I never even showed a pen coming out the other side of my arm (get it straight buddy!) I am trying to show what the effect is as a whole. I understand that's not what people get from it, so I am replacing it with a totally clear demo with full performance and everything. Closeup shots, and even a seperate "extras" part. I just answered all three of your questions. -Jesse |
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Hi Jesse,
You wrote: ¡§I never said a signed card could be inside the box. intact creates that illusion! that's what I don't understand here. what are you trying to call me out for. And your right, forcing a card, you could put it anywhere... but if you don't know the inner workings of intact, then you cant make it appear inside a tic tac box!!!! that's what intact is!¡¨ On your website you say, ¡§A signed selection visibly appears inside a Tic Tac Box¡¨ Now it can either realy be in there or it can appear to be in there. From a description, one cannot tell. HOWEVER, when that description appears alongside a video of a card CLEARLY coming out of the box, the potential buyer can ONLY assume the card really is in the box. So you cannot actually pull a signed card from inside the box. (I can make a signed selection appear in a Tic Tac box. Not openly and visually but I can still do it.) ¡§When I released intact, it included a description and demo. Both are accurate. YES!!!!! Everything you see is possible. The original effect (what is being marketed and sold) is exactly what the description explains.¡¨ You have just written ¡§I never said a signed card could be inside the box. intact creates that illusion!¡¨ but the description says it appears inside the box. Both cannot be right! Either everything I see or everything I read is possible ¡V it currently cannot be both! ¡§Jon, when you buy intact... you will learn exactly as the description reads. I cant be misleading anyone if that were true.¡¨ *If* I buy Intact ƒº. ¡§I am not going to specifically break down your 123 because I feel that discussion of handlings can be sensitive.¡¨ Right now, I don¡¦t think that I can pull a signed card from out of the Tic Tac box as shown in the video. I want to buy it based on being able to do so. Telling me whether it is possible to physically do so will not give away any handling issues. In fact, if you say it can be done as shown in the video, you will get a lot more sales. However, the one last question that has not been answered is whether you are willing to offer a refund if I can¡¦t. I very much look forward to seeing the new video
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magicbyswh Inner circle North East Tennessee 1550 Posts |
MY suggestion is pull the present video so no one else feels mislead. Then put the new video out ASAP and get this cleared up.
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teevtee Special user 963 Posts |
Jesse does not want to answer the simple questions Jon has possed so let me:
"1. Can you remove the card exactly as shown in the video?" There is nothing preventing you from forcing a card and having a duplicate card hidden within the Tic Tac box. If you do this then yes, you can remove it as shown. None of the benefits of this effect would apply (The card cannor bsigned and so forth) but from what I gather you could use the gimick to make it look like the box started empty and then had the folded card appear inside. This is not exactly the effect as described but might be an OK effect if you accept the limitations. "2. However, if I cannot remove the card as shown in the original demo, do I get a refund? " No. "3. Can you pull a signed card out of the box as the video showed? " Well, you COULD sign a card and then put it in a Tic Tac box, and then remove that same card just like the video...so you have to be careful about wording here... But the answer to your question is NO. You cannot have a card freely selected (or even forced), signs and then have that SAME card pulled from the box as shown in the video. To do that, which is how the description reads, you do NOTY remove the card as the video shows for that signed card is never actually in the box. So those seems to be the true facts, make your own judgements. |
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magicforu New user 99 Posts |
Yes, Jesse pull the present video and prove that you are not using that misleading video to gain your sales.
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teevtee Special user 963 Posts |
The question I have posed several times but has never been answered is why even create this "trailer" if it shows things that either cannot be done or or not as the description reads or even has the slightest possibility of confusing or misleading people... especially after the Pen Thru Arm fiasco.
I am willing to give Jesse ALL the benefits of the doubt. I am willing to accept that he did not intentionally misead people. I am willing to accept that there is some way to alter things to create something similar to what the trailer shows. I am willing to accept that Jesse is just a nice guy trying to sort things out. I accept ALL of that. But man, it is hard to understand why this original video was made and posted in the first place and why it continues to be posted right now as we speak. The new video was said to be up today, then that turned to Monday and now we are simply hearing "Next Week". Meanwhile the confusing video plays on. Now Jesse, you may not have intended to confuse people and to you it may not seem confusing, but judging from the reaction you are getting here you have to know that it IS confusing. So pull the current video NOW, if it is a day or a week or a month later, whatever, you can put up the proper video once you have it. But get the current thing down NOW as it is causing confustion and frustration even if you did not intend it to do so. |
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