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Eduardo
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Here is my linking ring routine. I would like to know the things I should improve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJCbF8c7M5w

Best regards,

Eduardo
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Very Nice.

Sex it up; really look at the audience, flirt and smile. Be sure to acknowledge them when they respond with applause.
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Nice routine. You have a very different performing style than I do with the Rings but the moves do flow very beautifully into one another. The only comments I have are these:

1. There are certain natural applause points in your routine. That's when you need to slow down and acknowledge the applause. I don't mean in any big way - maybe just eye contact and a smile. Then move on.

2. You performed past the finale. The biggest reaction you received was when the 5 rings all linked together in one big chain. Your body was positioned in applause position and it did, indeed, trigger some very loud applause. Everything after that was anit-climatic. If it were me, I would have ended the routing at the 5 link chain.

3. You risked ruining the rhythm of your routine. By handing out the rings for inspection near the end of your routine, you unnecessarily disrupt the flow of it. The examination of 3 of the 5 rings near the end of the routine didn't add anything to the impossibility of the effect. I would have placed the examination at the very beginning of the routine, immediately after the intial count. This would emphasize the impossibility of what happens next.

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On 2006-05-03 11:22, magicman845 wrote:
Nice routine. You have a very different performing style than I do with the rings but the moves do flow very beautifully into one another. The only comments I have are these:

1. There are certain natural applause points in your routine. That's when you need to slow down and acknowledge the applause. I don't mean in any big way - maybe just eye contact and a smile. Then move on.

2. You performed past the finale. The biggest reaction you received was when the 5 rings all linked together in one big chain. Your body was positioned in applause position and it did, indeed, trigger some very loud applause. Everything after that was anit-climatic. If it were me, I would have ended the routing at the 5 link chain.

3. You risked ruining the rhythm of your routine. By handing out the rings for inspection near the end of your routine, you unnecessarily disrupt the flow of it. The examination of 3 of the 5 rings near the end of the routine didn't add anything to the impossibility of the effect. I would have placed the examination at the very beginning of the routine, immediately after the intial count. This would emphasize the impossibility of what happens next.

Kent



I agree totally with your comments on this routine!

My constructive points in my opinion:

I, too, perform the rings at over 100 theatre shows a year as well as Clubs, corporates, etc.

The 1 thing I learned quickly as mentioned is to acknowledge the applause & create a finale for the routine!-You have one!!-now arrange the routine to finish here.

Also for the first few minutes you did 4 link & unlinks with 2 rings-different methods but still the same- do it once then move on. Maybe later do another but not all at once!!

Your music needs looking at. Zap it up a bit!!

Routine was way too long!!

But still some fabulous moves-edit the routine down to its best moments & eliminate the rest-just because you know 25 moves doesn't mean you have to do them all!!

But still a nice routine.

-Brent
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I agree with the above posts... too much with 2 rings at the start and handing them out did nothing at that point. Your moves are well done, smooth and done with nice movements. I would tighten it up a bit and close with them all linked in a chain.
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Eduardo
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Thanks for all your comments.
As I thought, I will change some things...

The best regards,

Eduardo
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On 2006-05-03 11:22, magicman845 wrote:
Nice routine. You have a very different performing style than I do with the Rings but the moves do flow very beautifully into one another. The only comments I have are this:

1. There are certain natural applause points in your routine. That's when you need to slow down and acknowledge the applause. I don't mean in any big way - maybe just eye contact and a smile. Then move on.

2. You performed past the finale. The biggest reaction you received was when the 5 rings all linked together in one big chain. Your body was positioned in applause position and it did, indeed, trigger some very loud applause. Everything after that was anit-climatic. If it were me, I would have ended the routing at the 5 link chain.

3. You risked ruining the rhythm of your routine. By handing out the rings for inspection near the end of your routine, you unnecessarily disrupt the flow of it. The examination of 3 of the 5 rings near the end of the routine didn't add anything to the impossibility of the effect. I would have placed the examination at the very beginning of the routine, immediately after the intial count. This would emphasize the impossibility of what happens next.

Kent


I agree completely.
This goes along with what Kent said above: it is a performance, not a demonstration and sometimes it seemed like you were demonstrating all the things you could do with the rings.
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Hi Eduardo:

Youtube must be having some problems - it took forever to load just the beginning of the routine, so I'll check back another time to see if things are better.

The one thing that stood out to me is the choice of music - I think the Kenny G. piece is very weak, theatrically. It's a nice piece to listen to when you're reading a book or relaxing, but really uninteresting as a performance piece. I know Cellini uses Kenny G. on his DVD, but there are so many other pieces that build better.

From what the others have said, it sounds like you've put a lot of practice into this. I'm looking forward to watching your rings.

Best regards,

Ron Reid
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I look forward to your new, shorter, edited routine with different music, applause cues & a 5 ring Finale etc.

Wow- what a top act you will then have!!!

All the best

-Brent
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Again I agree with most of the posts. I do not do the rings but I saw where you walked on some of your applause points. Let them tell you how much they enjoyed the different moves. It is something that a lot of performers do, not pausing for the rewards. I commend you for the work you have put into the routine. I always enjoy watching a nice ring routine. If you have not seen him, you should try to get a video of Richard Ross doing his ring routine. He really plays with the audience. Pauses and gives then that certain look. If you see one of his videos you will understand what I mean. But you did a really good job. Keep up the good work and let us see more in the future.

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I agree with almost everything, you said, and thanks for your eagle eyes...
but the music I use will not change. This music helps me do this routine. I didn't know that Celini uses Kenny G on his DVD. Let's work.

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I wonder why you chose to present a magic competition linking ring routine for a lay audience. It would have been much better to invite a spectator up and interact with him/her and the rings.

My only suggestion is that the routine was much to slow. Speed up the routine, maybe a faster tempo music would help your pacing.
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Ron Reid
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Hi Eduardo:

I got a chance to watch your ring routine - I thinks it's quite good! Congratulations on your success. Here are some observations:

1. Your rings look great - they must be Owen or Proline.

2. I don't think the beginning with the two rings is too long at all. It felt fine to me while I watched.

3. I would eliminate handing the rings to audience members when on a stage like that - it looks a bit awkward bending down. If you're in a place where the audience is close to you (and on the same level), I think that part is good. So, maybe you can just set them on a table when on a big stage.

4. I know you like that music, but it's very weak - especially how the music just stops (or fades) at the end. I recommend you time your routine, and then find a piece of music with a definite ending, and work the two together. I also think that using music by a popular artist like Kenny G. or Yanni or John Tesh is cliche. Your nice routine deserves better!

5. Smile more, and wait for applause at certain points (I think this has already been mentioned). I think audience members feel cheated a bit if they show their appreciation and you don't acknowledge it in return.

Overall, your routine is very good. I enjoyed it much and thank you for sharing.

Ron
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Check out Harry Anderson book WISE GUY. He has a seven-ring routine much like yours, but the handing out and sequence order makes more sense. It is very commercial and not hard to do.
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Eduardo, Very Nice, it is obvious that you worked hard on this routine.

I aggree with many of the other suggestions- but no matter what you decide- I'd consider cutting it down to 3 minutes-- no more.

But most importantly and since no one else mentioned it-- why not make better use of your assistant?

Kregg mentions to "sex it up". By this he does not mean "sex" litterally, the word is sometimes used in advertising (at least here in the USA) to mean a better way to add some flash and "sales" if you will.

If you are going to hand the rings out to your audience why not at least have your assistant do it?

Just after the climaxes of the routine, have her cross the stage like a "ring girl" in boxing (pun intended) and display the rings high over her head with a big smile.

Please make use of your assistant. It would really add punch to an already nice routine.
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Eduardo
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First of all, thanks for your great comments...
I've thought a lot, and I will change the music... We all agree. (lol)

Ron - My rings looked great in the video, I agree, but aren't Owen or Proline. It is the worst business I have done. They aren't chrome and they make a horrible noise on rolling, but my audiences don't know that. (lol) In the rest you are right.

Pete - when I get some money I will order the book... thanks for the advice.

cinemagician - yes, you are very right, I have to work a lot with my assistant in presentation, but the time is not much for her.
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I do agree with 3 things that happen a lot in ring routines and I used to do a lot myself. These are 1) going much faster then you think you are going, 2) not allowing ample time for the audience to applaud what they just saw, and 3) the magician performing moves just because he or she can and not because it helps the entertainment value of the routine.

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A lot of good advice offered here. One that really stands out for me from a laymen perspective is to really work on expression and eye contact. Pull the audience into you as the entertainer. It's a wonderful routine you have but there was a feeling of watching a guy put magical rings through their paces as opposed to watching a magician magically make a simple set of rings do magical things.

When doing a silent act to music I think the ability to express through facial expression and eye contact becomes even more important. Watch Fred Kaps in the recently released DVD for a great study in how to exude personality silently. The man was a genius; he had things as simple as a raising of the eyebrows come across as brilliant choreography. Your mechanics are very good, now bring the personality into your act and you will have one wonderful act. Fred Kaps is also a great study in timing. Keep up the great work!
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John brings up some great points and interesting topics for conversation. Thanks John.

I do find that a lot of magicians fall into a trap of performing the rings for too long and including too many moves just because they know how to do them. We must as magicians and manipulators take a step back and realize that our mindset for doing the rings can not just be what move am I doing next. It has to be entertaining to the audience and fluid in movement. Allow the audience to see what you are doing and give them ample time to applaud what they just saw. Make eye contact with them and give them a simple smile.

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Very Nice I like it.
I like the music too.
Very impreasive.
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