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I have a new Bizar de Magia double load Dove Pan and am having trouble getting the load to drop. It seems to happen most with the first load. If I drop the second load first (if you get my drift) it also sticks.

I wonder if there is not a problem with the diameter related to the relative diameters of the load pans and the main pan.

Is there some way to tune a dove pan so it works as smoothly as possible?
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From your explaination, I read it as you have both load chambers in the lid. A double load pan only holds one load at a time. The second is picked up after the first load chamber has been deposited. The second is usually hidden behind an object or below the table somehow, depending on your show.

I suggest you actually try the props with something inside the load chambers. Fill both loads with candy all the way to the top. Place one in the lid and the now try to put the other load in the lid.

If this is not what you ment, please explain futher!
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I am using each load indiviually. I have wondered a little about whether the weight of each load is too little. The objects I am vanishing (that is what's in the pan originally) are of supper soft sponge and do need to compress a little. This may also have an effect.


Obviously, I am not doing the standard bake a cake routine.
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So let me get this straight. You are using the dove pans to VANISH a load? or two loads? So you need to pick up one load, then drop it off before picking up a second? Is that right? Maybe you'd better describe the routine in detail and move this to the secret session area so we can discuss it properly.
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I am turning one (fast food) thing into another (fruit and vege). That is I vanish one item and simultaneously produce another item.
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That is why you are have a problem. The Dove pan is usually used only with flat items, such as playing cards, for soda crackers and a jack playing card to Cracker Jack popcorn. Or fire to something. Or as you suggested makeing a cake, a little flower, water, and cake, etc.

The sponges is pushing up the load back up in the locking position or not allowing it to fall and release.

I suggest you find another prop for your purposes. Like an exchange device that has compartments that can hold both your items.

It took me 3 years to find the correct exchange device.
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I think I need to clarify. The load is dropping, but one side will tend to hang about a little so that it drops on an angle and doesn't settle where it should. Thus exposing the workings.

I have been working with it both empty and with the props. Both ways it sticks so it isn't just the sponge.
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Check the springs, they should all be away from the inside of the lid side equal distance. Are they the same length. I really cannot see how this would happen. Place the lid down completely on the pan. All clips should dis-engage, and the load drops. There is no way it can pick up the load once released.
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I think Bill is right on. Sounds like a clip problem to me. The clips on my dove pan are attached with a single rivet so it has a tendacy to pivot. Make sure all the clips are straight.

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Sometimes you can repair a moving rivet by scaring it (inside) with a sharp tool and then using epoxy glue on it. Nothing last long on problem props. That's why there are auctions! I'm very grateful for the two Rings N Things pans I bought thirty years ago. They have out lasted every other brand I have ever had.

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On 2006-05-04 00:49, wmhegbli wrote:
From your explaination, I read it as you have both load chambers in the lid. A double load pan only holds one load at a time. The second is picked up after the first load chamber has been deposited. The second is usually hidden behind an object or below the table somehow, depending on your show.

I suggest you actually try the props with something inside the load chambers. Fill both loads with candy all the way to the top. Place one in the lid and the now try to put the other load in the lid.

If this is not what you ment, please explain futher!


I just bought a Morrissey Double Load Dove Pan and was having the problem you mention (different from the original post). I'm relatively new to magic and see now how each load must be done separately. Note: it took me all of 5 minutes to get the answer thanks to the Café (thanks, wmhegbli!).

So I'm planning to produce the cake with the 2nd load. I'll probably use a rubber chicken with the first load and claim I missed an ingredient. However, the cake is not an easy thing to hide as the 2nd load. Is this usually how it's done?
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You are correct, in that a sponge cake would not be a easy second load to conceal. I would rethink the routine and use something for the second load that would not interfere with the lid so it could be accessed smoothly and quickly. If you are set on using a sponge cake for a second load, you wcould buy a second dove pan and have the lid already on the cake and do a switch. I'm pretty sure that a single load dove pan lid will be compatible with the double load pans, and vica-versa, but check with the manufacturer to make sure. On disadvantage to this method would be that the sponge cake will be compressed longer, and might not open up as quickly. You could script your routine in a way that loading the cake for the second production will work, but it might take some practice to get the lid on.

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Thanks, Regan. I had thought of investing in a second pan to have the cake preloaded. That may be the easiest solution.

In the meantime, I'll practice loading the cake. So far I can get the lid on smoothly, but concealing it will be difficult to overcome especially with kids being unpredictable (i.e. walking around during the routine).
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