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They May Be Little But Theyre Mine

You know being that life is short we all would appreciate a little acknowledgement for our contributions and accomplishments in life and since no one acknowledging mine, I'm going on record to date and saying that the dice hold out with the two prongs is mine of which I made and likewise the punch is mine and also made by me.

Respectfully

Doc
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Do you have any proof?
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Doc's word is good enough in my book... but I would believe Steve would gladly acknowledge its Doc's if asked directly, unless there was some splitup I wasnt aware of...

What incentive would Doc have to come on here and BS about it? It would be easy enough for Steve or Sal to prove him wrong and then his word wouldnt mean much, and in the past Doc has always kept his word from what I've seen and been pretty honest...

Have you seen his Dice Holdout vid? very killer for the right situations.
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On 2006-05-04 03:32, SDR wrote:
Do you have any proof?

Yes them and God and God Can't Lie. Don't get me started because many have been robbed out of a lot of their ideas, accomplishments, titles and inventions throughout centuries and in many cases never been given credit for it. If you don't believe me just check your history books.

If we had $1,000 when wed go hustling, the first thing Bugs would do is put up $1,000. If we won hed say, Do you want to bet $2,000? We were in Johnston City when he played Fats. We had $1,100. He played Fats a set of banks for a $1,000. So he beat Fats the set of banks and then he played him ten-eight for $2,000. So he winds up winning the $2,000. Now we got $4,100. So Fats said, Im not going to play anymore banks. So Bugs said, Ill tell you what Im going to do. Im going to throw these balls [the cue ball and one object ball] on the table and wherever they stop Ill bet you $4,000 I bank it.

1P: He would bet the whole $4,000 on one bank shot?
JH: At first nobody would bet, but then he threw the balls on the table and when they stopped it was in such a bad spot that now everybody jumped up and wanted to get in. They said, You said wherever those balls stop? So Bugs says, Thats what I said. So now everybody wanted to bet! So Bugs got down and made the ball straight back for the $4,000. He had more heart than all these guys playing pool. Hes my hero. Hes part of me.

Why I Showed Up

The only reason ya'll know of me now is because I didn't want any of my ideas, inventions and moves stolen and posted by some of ya'll with your name attached to my stuff like on (videodepot) and lo and behold what I said came true and now you're asking me for proof? Sal on his video didn't even know where to place the punch at on his thumb to punch the card he demonstrated.

The only reason I don't talk about the some of the horrible moves, things and deals that I see on many of these DVD's is because many of these guys are my friends and silence is golden; and some of you whom I've met know just what I'm talking about. Let me shut up.

Doc
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Doc,
It's great to have you back! Thanks for letting us know those were your moves, credit should be given where credit is due.
Regards,
SS
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I sincerely apologize to all who read my post and think that it's mean and maybe you're right and the street side of me has popped out.
My things are tiny yes but they're mine and I want to be known for them. If you made something wouldn't you want to be acknowledge for it? Even if you dont I do. Not acknowledging is the issue here because I gave them the items as a free gift because of our friendship like they in turn gave me stuff of which I did acknowledge so it would only be right to do likewise; thats all I'm saying.

Signed

Just Thinking Out Loud

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It's all good Doc. There is no reason NOT to expect credit when it's due. And I think it's reasonable to be disappointed when the credit is not forthcoming. It wouldn't be very difficult for those that have gained from your knowledge (and you willingness to share it with them) to give a little "shout out" when they are talking about the various things.

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I have never met Doc. But the few times I have communiccated with him I have found no reason to not believe what he has said.

Doc is certainly a wealth of knowledge and certainly does need to be givin credit for somethings.

Good to see you here again Doc.

Randy
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There's only one way that you can be sure to receive credit for your ideas: publish them! If you want to sit on them, somebody will probably beat you to the punch and you won't have anyone but yourself to blame for it.
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Scorch, I believe in Docs last post he stated that he was mad when he wrote the original post.
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Lol... fats was certainly not the best banker even if he talked it. And a banker beating fats was not out of the ordinary, Lefty regularly got him AFAIK.
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I was just interested if you could back up your statement with facts, no need for the hostility.
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If Doc says he invented a specific gaff, he invented it....end of story.

As I, and many others have learned, Doc is always straight up when speaking on the Caf.
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On 2006-05-05 12:45, SDR wrote:
I was just interested if you could back up your statement with facts, no need for the hostility.


You may be right about me being a little hostile but why shouldn't I be? You basically called me a liar. Why is it that I have to produce proof? Do you believe that they made every item that they displayed on their GPS videos and still had time to learn how to cheat etc.?

What proof can I produce that will prove to you or anyone else here that I gave them those items? Only them, angels and God knows I did because no one else was there when I gave them the things so on that note I have no proof except what I previously stated.

For your info. the only reason I'm at this site is because I gave my opinion of "The New Phantom's of the Card Table" book by Gazzo stating that my punch dealing ability was like that of Walter Scott's and Gazzo's and when questioned "Why would someone believe a cheat" I had the same response now as I did then and when I presented my questionnaire on making a punch and how to use it; know one wrote back answering my questions on it.

For the record the only person that ever made a punch that was better than mine that I met (just by a fraction) was Gazzo and that's only because his was manufactured.

Something else you need to know...The only reason I gave that one away is because he only had one particular type in his show case (and no I'm not talking about the fake chips nor the stick holdouts) therefore mine would've looked nice displayed there being that I don't work with inferior items once I invent new ones. To view my new invention (The Eagle Claw Dice Holdout) search for my dice switching video and see me take the World Title for Dice Switching of which I got the idea from my mentor Steve Forte after watching his video.

Let Me Clarify Something

I Did Not Invent The Two Prong Dice Hold-Out of which you can see pics of in an old How to Detect Cheat Book by Al Lampkin (The New Books doesn't have the pic) and the K.C. Card Co. Blue Book and I Did Not Invent the Punch. Being that I'm poor and couldn't find it, I made the items by taking my time, looking at the pictures and reading the instructions.

This why I don't understand many of you here that always want info. and stuff but you never get down and get your hands dirty by doing what you have to do in order to become the best; if I can invent so can you and when you do post it like I did so no one can claim your stuff and ideas as theirs.

P.S. Silverking thanks for the shout out it's always great to make a new friend and Vandy thanks for your help in advancing my dice skills.

Signed

The Doctor

P.S. You see I give credit where credit is due.
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I think it's difficult to give credit to a hustler as the hustlers don't want to be known. I sometimes read magicians say this move was shown to me by a smart gambler or things like that. What you should do is write you own book like Erdnase in a moody name if want to tell every one anything that is.
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It would be nice to bring Steve Forte's Casino Protection Book into one of my gambling spots and show my name in the area where my dice device is located and then present Sal's Poker Cheat Exposed DVD on my 6 Gig iPod and fast forward to the area where he's showing off my punch as he says "A gambler by the name of Doc gave me this."

I already show off the Damien Neiman and myself footage on my Laptop/iPod when I met him in Atlantic City at his Shade Premiere of which I would have never met him without the help of Jason England. I also show off the footage of Darwin, Andrew and myself and also the footage of Gazzo and myself so why wouldn't I do the same for them?

When one accomplishes something they at least want a pat on the back for it. All I can do now is show the footage of Steve, Sal, Rod the Hop and myself with them when I show the GPS series and Sal's Poker Cheat DVD just like I show the Shade Extra footage of Damien and then show him and I together.

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Doc's sentiment is accurate, and history supports what he posted.
It's all there in the history books as hard fact, even though some would like to keep the topic a subjective one.
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I just wanted to know if you could back up your statement for your sake. A lot of people claim things, probably did come up with them, but cannot prove it. I was interested to know, I didn't have an opinion either way.
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On 2006-05-05 14:35, Unknown419 wrote:
You may be right about me being a little hostile but why shouldn't I be? You without words called me a liar. Why is it that I have to produce proof?


Well, though I see it was edited out, you called everybody else racists without any proof or substantiation. How is that any different?


How can I be racist when it is ya'll who have helped me throughout the years to get to the level that I am at now and is still helping me. Im not racist because I speak about my people it is you who is. My people is all I know about as I listen to the stories so who can I speak about? Why is it that I dont see stories about us is what Im really saying? Is it because you dont know about us or youve heard only stories about your people. You speak but you really don't know what's going on...so I'll tell you.

Whats Really Going On Behind the Scene?

I'm getting PMd from new posters who never posted and is very knowledgeable (the big boys) telling me that I shouldn't be going in this direction and talking about the things I do because it will alienate me from being amongst them. What am I to do? Stick with helping ya'll or go with them?

My mother always taught me Not To Burn Any Bridges cause you might just have to cross over that same bridge again in life and since I always listen to my mother...Big Boys I'd rather stick with the little guys here at this forum and at Louis Tannens, Hank Lee's, the kids at Maui Taco's, Wesley, John, Gene Maze, Doug Edwards, Carl Polaris, Harry Loraine, Bill Kalush, Lou Lancaster, Ken Krenzel, Alan Halcon, Jeff Wessmiller, Craig, The guy who wrote my card memory program and to those of you who helped me advance my knowledge to whom I forgot to mention Im sorry but I'd rather be with and around you guys any day of the week because I have a good time every time I see yall.

I always say when gambling you can't break a broke man (of which I'm already broke) so there is nothing that you can take away from me. The lives of my friends and students who read my post is more important to me than anything else in this world and I Don't Want Them Being Fooled and Being a Sucker Like I Was. Even though cheating in any game or at anything is wrong at least you should know the facts.

I've purchased every gadget that I need to cheat with, I got all the videos/books/pics that I want, I have this site and others for more information, I have the magicians as my friends all I need now is a movie deal to tell it like it is from the other side of which I will raise the $30,000 if need be or I'll get some investors. Whatever the case maybe...little people I've went to the promised land and got kicked out like I always do so I'm crossing that same bridge coming back home that I didnt burn to hang with ya'll...the little down to earth guys.

If yall (Big Boys) don't want me around ya'll it's ya'll lost not mine because for 44 years of not knowing you I did just fine and since I have me enough information of whatever I want and friends that'll last me a life time I hope and pray to live another 44 years without you

As I sit in the old folks home like my teacher Walter Scott someone at this forum might search me out and voila there will be a book written about me.

Signed By On The Road Again

The Doctor

P.S. Readers once you make it to the top its not all what its cracked up to be at least it wasnt' for me. Put this information in your pocket and when you reach the top and find out what I said to be true just say Doc told me so.
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On 2006-05-06 13:28, Unknown419 wrote:
Im not racist because I speak about my people it is you who is.


Let me be clear: I never said you were a racist. I don't know you and would have no basis to make such a statement. I said that you called others (including, now, me, apparently!) racists without any substantiation. Though many might see that kind of low-class mudslinging as a form of racism. I am not speaking about "your people." I am speaking about you and the views that you have expressed, saying that ideas were stolen from you because of racism. That's the attitude of somebody who inflicts victim status on himself.
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