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That was a very impressive demonstration indeed! I'm searching the string "faro" since I am a beginner who started on this shuffle two days ago.

I do it the other way, weaving in from the top and not the bottom. I like the look of this, but maybe from the spectator's angle, if the idea is to dazzle them with the evenness of a single faro, they will see the weave better when weaving in from the top and not bottom? Hmmm. That was a confusing sentence maybe. What I mean is that your way, the weave itself cannot be seen by the audience since it is towards you and that this may arouse undeserved suspicion about the weave being fair.

If you weave in from the top, at least when I do it, there is a moment when you hold everything from the left hand (bottom) packet, like a closed chinese fan. This is when I change grip with my right hand. The fair weave will bee seen by everyone.

But like I said... I am new to this. I only do it in air so far since my desk is slippery. I am now practicing pulling the packet through which is surprisingly easy compared to what I anticipated. Actually the difficult part is pushing the weaved packages towards each other because of the resistance of all the cards squeezing on each other. Also I find it difficult to strip out a weaved package effortlessly for the same reason. It's the same wether or not the cards go through. Once they are perfectly weaved (or almost perfectly in my case, I think I'm about 3-5 cards off on avrage) they are stubborn to strip out and hold on to at the same time.

I'm very happy about having seen your video. Yesterday I was pondering the math of how many times one would have to do this in order to get through step by step. I can never figure things out involving numbers. For instance I don't get Robert Blake's comment about 2 reversed faros... That confuses me. I'm thinking that if I show the weave and show the pushing together then I'm sort of in the clear. By going through nothing changes and I could do some other shuffles and cuts instead of repeating one for a long period of time.

Sigh. Another unreasonably long rant on an old thread which nobody probably reads. Smile
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Vandy, I liked the unshuffled effect. Best faro tricks I've found are in Secrets of an Escomateur by Harry Riser -- the faro is used sparingly but to amazing effect.
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Wow! that's awesome man. I can't do that...but I sure would love to learn it. Time to start practicing!

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I agree that eight faro's is a bit much but can be done in about 45 seconds. I worked on the table faro for many years and really the hardest thing is to cut 26 everytime.
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The faro is only as good as the effect that goes with it. Mem Deck has a need for Faros as Mike Close uses. He usually does (or used to) 6 out faros first and then two in front of the audience. You can also use Faros to set up "Chaos". The "bullet trick depends on a weave, if not a perfect Faro.

I learned Marlo's method many years ago. I haven't found or seen one better, but then it is still hard for me to split at 26. With no effect, it's just a curiosity.
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With all honesty, I didn't enjoy it very much. You have the technique down, but you need to double or even triple your speed in the time it takes from splitting the deck, to ending the shuffle.

The Perfect Faro shuffle should not seem like any effort is put into it. A laymen will not find it to be a suitable genuin shuffle if you are paying all of your time and attention into that one shuffle. However, if you perform it quick-paced, leaving little attention to it, it would have much more effect on the spectator since they will not believe the cards are being manipulated with such little attention.

With that stated, good luck with the move.

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Paul Gertner's Unshuffled originally appeared in BEST OF FRIENDS, VOLUME 1 You young whippersnappers have to start reading the good stuff! I honestly don't know why an apparent "newbie" would want to do eight faros on video, when there are many people who do it much faster (three or four times faster) and much more interestingly, and have been doing it long before the "newbie" was born. What's the point? Am I missing something? Well, it is a new world out there! Best - HARRY LORAYNE.
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On 2006-05-16 07:28, sullivanl wrote:
Just curious, how many of you can do 8 perfect faros in under a minute. I read an article in th economist years ago that said there are only 31 people in the world who can do this.

Articles like that are just plain silly. Did the author personally time every magician in the world who does a faro shuffle? Of course not. Was there an "Eight Perfect Faros World Championship Competition?" I think not! When my chops are in check, I can do it in about 45 seconds, but why? And I promise I'm not one of the 31 people that article cites.

Further are the faros all outs or all ins, or does it not matter? And again, who cares?

One thing I've noticed with guys who use the faro is that they suddenly put on a pair of glasses and very studiously cut the deck, often making several false starts. If you're gonna do a faro, for somebody besides the mirror and your magic buds, you need to practice cutting at 26 at least as much as you practice the shuffle itself. And it wouldn't hurt to study Alex Elmsley's work, where he gives remedies for fixing things should you miss the cut, rather than backing out the shuffle and re-cutting.

I watched the video of the guy doing Unshuffled, and frankly thought it was not great. I don't think the trick is remotely as strong without the selection, and I think he took far too long to cut the deck each time. It wasn't awful, but it wasn't that good, either. (I never saw the original poster's video.)
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Guys do a search for silverking and faro's on this forum - he did 32 in 1min. Unbelievable! See his vid.
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On 2007-03-12 17:06, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Paul Gertner's Unshuffled originally appeared in BEST OF FRIENDS, VOLUME 1 You young whippersnappers have to start reading the good stuff! I honestly don't know why an apparent "newbie" would want to do eight faros on video, when there are many people who do it much faster (three or four times faster) and much more interestingly, and have been doing it long before the "newbie" was born. What's the point? Am I missing something? Well, it is a new world out there! Best - HARRY LORAYNE.


Watch out, Harry. I said pretty much the same thing about this several months ago, and it looks like my post was deleted.

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Skilled dealers would maintain that shuffling 8 perfect faros restored the deck to it's original order. Don't know if that's true. However, a minute or two of a a spellbinding story could be the perfect misdirection for the time required to shuffle. As always it's not what we do but how and why we do it.
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The idea of shuffling the deck 8 times with the out-faro is great. You can have a stacked deck before a routine and out-faro it 5 or 6 times and then in performance you can clearly show you're giving the deck 2 or 3 shuffles which in reality is bringing your deck into stacked order.

Bruce Cervon and Juan Tamariz were known for having a deck end up in perfect order after a full performance after incorporating the faros in the routine.
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I've finally become rather good at this Faroing business. But I still could never do 8 perfect ones in under a minute.

My level of stage freight is so high that the few times I have tried it just for fun, here alone in my room, my hands stiffen up and I completely lose the ability to do much of anything. The pressure gets to me.

So my current record is 3 perfect Faros period, when there is a clock in front of me. After that I just lose the deck or something. Without the pressure I don't have any problems doing as many as I want, but probably a lot slower than in one minute.

After this I realize that I need to practice in front of a camera or something because with the level of nerves I have I will never be able to function out there like this.

So timing yourself may have an additional aspect than showing off. It could for instance be a way of checking how much you speed up without knowing it in front of a spectator. Or to see how long something really takes when you feel that time is flying by because your hands and mind is moving. Would they get bored and lose interest?
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I've recently mastered the perfect faro, a sleight which a year ago I thought I would NEVER be able to get. I've been purposely practicing with a worn out deck, just to make things harder for me, so that when I finally practice with a new deck, its like being rewarded (not only is it harder to faro a worn deck, its also harder to cut exactly 26 cards, because in a worn deck, the cards are distorted, and it makes it harder to judge the thickness of the individual packets).

One thing that I do, which I think is quite different from how most people do it, is that I weave the bottom and top few cards first, then I exert a lot of pressure to weave the middle cards. I use a light touch to weave the cards initially, then I actually tighten my grip and push hard to weave the center cards.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?
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If it works for you great. I personally use a soft touch all the way through.
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A simple movie Me doing 8 faro shuffles with an "old" deck..

DOWNLOAD video here:
http://www.kjellstrom.info/media/8faroshuffles.wmv (right click link and "save as")

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Is it true that 8 perfect faro's will retun the deck to it's original order?
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I seem to remember reading some years ago in the New York Times that seven perfect shuffles will end up with the deck in the order in which it started out. However I may be misremembering . I also seem to remember that seven imperfect shuffles are the number required to thoroughly mix the deck.

Any mathematicians in the house?
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On 2007-07-13 16:14, CAROLINI wrote:
Is it true that 8 perfect faro's will retun the deck to it's original order?


Yes. As long as they are so called Out-Faros (top card stays on top, bottom card stays on the bottom).
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Guys have a look at Expert Card Technique. I'm sure it's not the first place, but it contains charts of the exact card positions of all the cards throughout the 8 faros back to completion. I'm assuming 8 In Faros could be returned to new order with a simple cut.

Like several have mentioned there is no need to be able to do 8 perfect faros. The most required by any trick I have seen is 2 perfect faros.

If you want to end with perfect order simply do 6 perfect faros before starting the performance. Do a false shuffle (Green/zarrow) and then finish with 2 faros.
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