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Drs_Res Veteran user 325 Posts |
Let's see,
Pyro Perception, cost per unit at the first website I found selling it penguin $18.95 x 52 = $985.40 (shipping not included) Third Degree Burn, Available from most magic suppliers for $55.00 (+ $12.00 Shipping & Handling anywhere in the world when purchased from the inventor himself paltergeist $55.00 + $12.00 = $67.00 x 1 (for doing 52 cards) = $67.00 (shipping included)
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CoinMan21 Elite user China 442 Posts |
You don't need 52 sets of Pyro Perception to come out with all the combinations.
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I really feel that 3rd Degree Burn is more of a magician "ooo ahhh" thing and less of a laymen "ooo ahhh" thing. Basically you end up with the same effect but 3rd Degree Burn has more functions than Pyro Perception at the great expense of pocket room.
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Drs_Res Veteran user 325 Posts |
Okay, I have never seen a Pyro Perception or a Third Degree Burn gimmick. I was just trying to do the math.
With everyone saying that Pyro Perception could only do one card, I made an assumption about the gimmick, and I apologize for that. How many would you have to buy to do all of the combinations in a deck of 52 cards at what cost for each item you need, and how big would it be after putting it all together, and how easy would it be to "get" the right card compared to Third Degree Burn? Just curious as I may be getting one or the other in the future. I like the fact the card could be any card OR any f****d card I wanted to use with Third Degree Burn. And thank you for correcting me on making a bad assumption, I really should know better than that by now. Any comments always appreciated.
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Philippe Special user 771 Posts |
To make time for 'burns', use a marked deck.
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
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On 2006-05-22 04:00, Drs_Res wrote: You need four pyro perception units. I only use one, the gimmick is really flat and they don't need to name the card before I do the work. Yes, it uses, oh my god, a force. Forcing is a great tool, you should try it some time. Back to the original question; Does the inventor of pyro perception, give his consent to have the TDB gimmick marketed? If he does not, TDB is a ripoff. Pyro perception is the first to come out with a playing card blister. Please don't say that the blister trick is public domain. Even if it is, using a metal gimmick to make the card shape is very original. I love my pyro perception. Yes, you need cards, yes you need to force it, but I use both those tools all the time anyway. Wondering, James Linn
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Drs_Res Veteran user 325 Posts |
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Xiqual: To quote myself: Quote:
I like the fact the card could be any card OR any f****d card I wanted to use.... I use forces, that's not a problem. If one Pyro Perception gimmick can only do one card, I fail to see how four could do 52. I could see four doing 16 cards, but since I have not seen this, I will deffer to those who have it. I am not fishing and will drop this part of the discussion here and now. I have already, inadvertently, helped to take this off topic. This is supposed to be a "review" thread for Third Degree Burn, so I will bow out at this time and let the reviews continue. Sorry for my part in derailing this thread.
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
Who ever said a pyro perception gimmick can only do one card? That is incorrect.
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
Still waiting for Jason Palter to answer the question about TDB. Does the creator of Pyro perception consent to your gimmick?
Thank you, James
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Drs_Res Veteran user 325 Posts |
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On 2006-05-22 05:58, Xiqual wrote: Thank you for the correction. I thought I saw someone post that it only did one card. I looked around and could not find that post, but looked at some other threads that were specifically about PP and see that I was incorrect. Once again, much thanks on the correction.
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sabitu Special user USA 533 Posts |
Personally I like Third Degree Burn better than Pyro Perception because it can be used as more of a mentalism/magic effect. I only perform TDB by having the spectator write down their card and then I do a center tear or use my Outlaw wallet to peek the card. For me not having to use the cards is a big plus.
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Jason Palter V.I.P. 335 Posts |
James:
Thank you for your inquiry. The only thing I can comment on is that I have no idea as to whether Brent Walske consents or doesn’t consent, as I haven't spoken about it with him. However, let me attempt to still answer your question in perhaps another way. No matter what I do, my ethics and honor are always on the top of my list. If you are to ask any of the magicians that know me, they will attest to my honesty and integrity. I would never dream of ripping off someone else's idea! And also if you check the credit list on my trick, the top magicians that are there wouldn't be there or have ever offered their feedback if they thought it was a rip-off. As you may have noticed, in any of the reviews done on this forum or any of the other forums, no one has questioned whether this trick is a rip-off, similar or otherwise. I’m not sure if you have actually seen Third Degree in person. But if and when you do see it, I'm quite confident you will love the product, and will see that this does not resemble Brent's gimmick at all. Yes they both produce blisters of cards. But as others will attest, Third Degree Burn takes the idea of Pyro Perceptions (and many other tricks/inventors that I give credit to in the instructions), and takes all of them to a whole new level. If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. I thank you for your time. Best regards, Jason Palter Paltergeist Unlimited (416) 410-5766 |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
Jason,
You say you knew of his gimmick before you made yours? Wow, that is amazing. In my opinion, being able to do the whole deck is not that much a step forward. Effect is the same. Actually Pyro is better because you don't need to name the card. I am just wondering why you think you are not ripping off Pyro perceptions? Pyro Perceptions is still for sale, you took his idea, made your gimmick that will compete with his. Is that not a rip off? Thank you for youre reply, James Linn
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Chance Wolf Inner circle 2425 Posts |
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On 2006-05-24 00:30, Xiqual wrote: Are you serious? Not much of a step forward?!! wow...I better re-think some of my upcoming effects if your policing the situation Look, the effect is based off a "principle" which I used, hmmm at least 30 years ago to freak my friends out showing them my blister. This is a principle which goes back long before ANY of us were born. It will be marketed in many different ways as time goes on. Hope fully, each release will better or grow the principle just as Jason has. Of course this is just my opinion as a fellow creator. Chance
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
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On 2006-05-24 00:59, Chance Wolf wrote: Hey Chance, Your right! It doesn't matter. Then again, look at all the controversy YOU have gone through recently. What ever, James
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
I've made the comments before, but here they are again:
IN THE INSTRUCTIONS to pyro perception, Brent talks about how you can "connect" the 4 gimicks together to get any card. So that is $76. AFAIK, pyro perception was the first and only thing on the market that took the blister principle and applied it to cards... this is a completely different thing imho than the regular... having a blister form, and then having a blister form IN A SPECIFIC SHAPE that was determined by the spectator are very different, at least imho, as well as by using flame, taking the effect from blisters that magically appeared to actual blisters that formed a shape. So if you are trying to fall on the "blister effect was around before" then provide a source that shows it was used AS A CARD EFFECT or stop using that argument. I think that since Brent basically tells you it was in the design of the gimicks to be used together to catch all the cards in the deck, that coming out with a 52-in-one and calling it "new" is a bit shifty. Granted, Brent wasnt selling them as a package, but it WAS an option that was around pre-TDB. If anything, this would seem to have been better marketed as "improved pyro perception" or something, because again other than a perhaps improved gimick, the idea definatly isn't new and doesn't explore any new territory that Brent(or others if you can provide the source) havent already. I'll butt out now, but I think its at least a bit in bad taste to keep "reviewing the effect", when in reality the effect is that of Pyro Perceptions and this is just a different gimick FOR THAT EFFECT. |
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Tom Lauten Special user 689 Posts |
You know, if one has a genuine complaint and feels compelled to have it addressed, getting aggressive and on a self appointed rightous soapbox does nothing but illustrate ones own "sore spots" and "issues". There are ways and then there are ways.
First of all...calm down. Sheesh! I hardly think Jason Palter is wringing his hands, twirling his handlebar moustache while cackling and counting his "riches". Do you think he acknowledges "pyroperception" in the 3rd sentence in Third Degree Burns manual? Read your copy and find out. Credit where credit is due...fine...a bit close to the knuckle? Maybe, fine...whatever. YOU don't like it?...fine. A personal crusade of justice?...OK, now that's just getting weird. I'm sure many forum members sit on a high council of magical ethics and are keepers of all infinitesimal detail, credits, origins and can espouse the phrase "I think you'll find..." while pushing their bifocals up the bridge of their noses with tremendous authority...whoopdie-doo. Perhaps, they lurk in the shadows pouncing upon the faithless and unclean like avenging angels of holy justice protecting the true bloodline of magics highest ..hang on...that's Opus Dei...still...fills the lonely nights huh?
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AmazingKeithy New user Round Rock, Texas 99 Posts |
So far, here is the tally of relative advantages and disadvantages with the purchase of one unit of each product:
TDB: Advantages Any card named/chosen may appear on the finger tips Does not require a deck to be in play The degree of freedom experienced by the performer may communicate subtly and positively to the participant. Disadvantages Seems to require a little more pocket space Requires obtaining knowledge of the card prior to obtaining blister Not knowing the card in advance precludes obtaining the blister early in the game Increased probability of the blister being the wrong card - how embarrassing PP: Advantages Seems to require less pocket space Apparently, less fishing around in the pocket to obtain the blister Implies shorter learning curve Requires a force Thereby allowing obtaining blister early in the game Blister will always be the right card Unless you mess up the force - Then do another trick Disadvantages Seems to require a physical deck to be in play For the walkaround performer, observant adjacent table may wonder at the coincidence of the same card two performances in a row Requires a force - Disadvantage not because some are more comfortable doing a force than others but because it imposes constraints on the blocking of the effect. The degree of constraint experienced by the performer may communicate subtly and negatively to the participant. Regards, Keith |
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Tom Lauten Special user 689 Posts |
...and there you go..."horses for courses".
Obviously, practice with either will reduce some of those risks. Thanks Keith
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Jason Palter V.I.P. 335 Posts |
Hello all:
After some requests and comments, I've just added a second video onto our site! Even though I received very positive feedback on my promo video, I purposely had it edited to resemble more of a "Promo/Sales" video then a "Performance" video for various reasons. But, yes there is now a new "Performance" video available on the "Third Degree Burn" page (under "Products"). It has the same ending as the other one does, but it shows more of the full routine, plus a much better shot of what the blisters look like on your finger and thumb near the end of the video. This is something else some people were requesting. I listened, and I delivered! lol Again (for those of you who haven't read my earlier posts) the trick is also available for instant purchase on our site; we have lots in stock. Thank you for your time and all of the feedback! Best regards, Jason Palter Paltergeist Unlimited (416) 410-5766 |
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