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I assume hawks aren't used, even if avaliable, because if you have a bird act, you may often have multiple birds, and hawks tend to make other birds a bit nervous. Talk about performing under pressure...
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On 2006-05-25 14:37, magicfish wrote:
Subsequently, men have the edge from a technical standpoint.


:rolleyes:
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On 2006-05-23 05:46, Whit Haydn wrote:
If the domination were "natural"--e.g. that men were more gifted for magic than women--then it would just be what it is. Like male domination of heavyweight boxing.

But there is no natural reason for women not to enjoy and excel at magic. When given the opportunity, many have.

But for many years, men have intentionally kept women out of the "outer" (much less the "inner") circles of magic.

Why should there be one manip act, one illusionist, one talking comedy act and one female act on a magic convention bill? As if female magician were a category...

I'll have to disagree with you , Whit.
There is a natural reason.
Magicians are men. They wear gloves and top hats and they make poofs of smoke and make things float. They can shoot things from their fingertips!
These are all very masculine images. when a female bills herself as a magician it is much less believable

Now I have seen some female magicians who are quite good. Tina Lennart's act with the mop is very cute. However, no woman will ever match the publicity of Houdini, the suaveness of Channing Pollack, or the skill of Slydini.

Yes there are some great illusionists out there who have mediocre skill, but all in all, as Darwin Ortiz writes, there is no substitute for genuine skill.
Subsequently, men have the edge from a technical standpoint.


That is such a total load of obvious cr*p I don't know where to begin, or if there is even any point. Part of me says you are just being deliberately provocative for the fun of it--you are kidding right?

Circe threatened the great Odysseus and turned all his men into swine with a gesture.

Magicians are men? You just mean that is what is most familiar and therefore comfortable for you.

There have been great women magicians throughout the history of magic. Talma, Adelaide Hermann, Iona, Dell O'Dell, and many others.

Juliana Chen has skill that most male magicians can only envy.
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I knew this would shock you.
Let me clarify.
There is a very good reason why there are so few magiciennes in the world.
Boys take to it much more naturally than girls do... this is a fact. The same is true for other pursuits such as climbing rocks and throwing stones and smashing dinky cars. Boys like magic sets.

You see , Whit, when we naturally lean toward something more than girls... we tend to be better at it. And so we should.

Don't be afraid to state facts. The best magicians in the world are men. This has nothing to do with the fact that there are many skillful magiciennes.

show me a woman who can do Daryl's hot shot cut and I'll show you a women with man-hands.

Show me a women who can scale cards with Thurston and Jay.

Show me a woman who can command an audience like Blackstone. That deep voice of Harry junior was that of a powerful magician!

Show me a woman who can hold attention the way leipzig could.

Its never happened, nor will it ever. There is a reason for this, Whit.

Sincerely, Magicfish
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Adults seem to act strangely in the presence of female magician's.
Why, same tricks?
Some churches still grapple and grovel over the very idea of a priestess.
What too mystical or like a witch for their taste?

or

Do they just grow up faster, put away their toys and games?
They chose.
POOF!
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Oh and ive seen Julianna Chen's act in person. Not bad... but her card productions are almost mechanical and her smile is robotic. For the magical production of a playing card from an empty hand, see Cardini or Lance Burton. Absolutely no comparison.
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They used to say, "All the great chefs are men."

That was because women were not allowed in for a long time, kept out by stupid unfounded prejudices.
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Magicfish,
You haven't seen Lance Burton lately have you?

"Hi I'm Lance Burton, welcome to my show... Hi I'm Lance Burton, welcome to my show... Hi I'm Lance Burton, welcome to my show... Hi I'm Lance Burton, welcome to my show... Hi I'm Lance Burton, welcome to my show..."
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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there is avery good reason why there are so few magiciennes in the world.
Boys take to it much more naturally than girls do... this is a fact. The same is true for other pursuits such as... throwing stones



I beg to differ. Ask the scary librarian. Smile
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Subsequently, men have the edge from a technical standpoint.

:rolleyes:

....my sentiments, too, Laurie!

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I think it's so quaint that there are still some inadequate male magicians out there who make themselves feel better by expressing stone-age opinions about the inferiority of women.
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That magicfish is rocking the boat, perhaps. Smile
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Old ideas don't always die easily.
Sometimes it takes time for them to change.
There are things said, and are ingrained in us, that are passed on through the generations.
Wife, mommy, nurse, stewardess, secretary, kittens and pink, sugar and spice and everything nice.

Provider, father, doctor, hunter, soldier, truck driver, snails, nails, puppy dog tails and blue.

It's changing slowly but it is changing.

In my youth women were the glue that held communities together. They talked over the fences and planned get togethers. Many wore aprons around the house and few drove. There were very few male teachers at school and most cashiers at the department stores were female.

It's changing slowly but it is changing.

When I first read this topic I also thought about the game of Chess and why men also seem to be more attracted to the game than women. Like magic this is not a physical thing. War perhaps?
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I like chess...and nails, and snails, and puppy dog tails. Smile Smile


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... and sugar, and spice, and everything nice...


and raindrops on roses, and whiskers on kittens... Smile



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And beer?
POOF!
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Ahahahahaha nope. Smile
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show me a woman who can do Daryl's hot shot cut and I'll show you a women with man-hands.


My twelve year old daughter performs this move expertly well. By definition, she doesn't have man-hands or even manly hands, whatever those might be.

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Show me a women who can scale cards with Thurston and Jay.

Show me a woman who can command an audience like Blackstone. That deep voice of Harry junior was that of a powerful magician!

Show me a woman who can hold attention the way leipzig could.

Its never happened, nor will it ever.


There are already female performers who have a commanding presence and are able to hold an audience's attention. Your assertations puzzle me because they are so ridiculous.

Perhaps I'm just too stupid to understand, and I know I'm going to regret asking these questions, but what the heck.

Pray tell, magicfish, why is it impossible for a woman to be an outstanding magician? What is it about that sacred Y-chromosome that gives men an insurmountable advantage?
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Magicfish must be joking/provoking. At least I hope so for his sake.
That being said, men do tend to covet power more than women, which might be because women already have the power to create life, so maybe we try to compensate by wielding power in other ways. Ever since the fall of Goddess worship with the rise of Monotheism, the paradigm for the deity in the western mind is male. It is a man's world (politically), and we celebrate our power by waving our magic tallywacker wands around in the hope that we can create something from nothing the way the women do without all the props when they make life appear.
If the wand is the male fertility symbol, what is the female equivalent? The egg bag?
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Women use wands as well, both in ceremonial magick, literature and myth.

I don't understand why people don't understand that masculine and feminine principles are shared by both men and women.

Some people are caught up in a worldview that has been dead for fifty years.

Either a sword or a wand would look pretty cool in Xena's hands. Smile
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Whit- this is true. The wand, the staff, the witch's broomstick, anything long and straight, really, is a symbol of power... as well as having more than a little, um, phallic significance. It works its way into language, too- think of the slang we use for someone being bold- "S/he's got b____ of brass/iron/steel." It's said of women as well as men.

Power and command is linked with assertiveness, culturally conditioned as being a male trait; magicians fool their audience, hold power over them, hence it seems more males become magicians. As gender equality steps in, and gender barriers become less culturally ingrained, we're bound to start seeing more female magicians.

By the way, don't blame magicfish. It may not be his fault- he may be from one of those middle states in America. I went to college for a semester in Wyoming, and talked to people who, still, quite literally believed a woman's place was barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Being from California, I knew they would have been tarred and feathered within fifteen minutes of setting foot in Berkeley. Smile
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