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Chance Wolf
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Look PB Jones. You are saying nothing constructive. Basically you are implying that my customers suck as magicians and use my props to look good. And you don't like my props because the artwork is too good. Fine. Ya made your point.
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P.B. Jones,
I am not sure WHY you are even posting in this thread? You have clearly stated that you have no intention of ever performing this type of effect. Not to mention you have not purchased it and have never seen it live.
So tell us, what is your purpose? To bless us with your "professional opinion" and save us all from our own stupidity knowing that we do not have the basic knowledge to come to your final conclusions/opinions?
Or is it that you and your buddies have a reputation for coming into the Café and slamming dealers and manufacturers for no paticular reason except it makes you feel important?
Please let us in on your deepest thougths so we can become better performers and a wiser more caring person like yourself.
RR
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I agree with you Chance: it seems that Mr. Jones has his own impressions of what Children's entertainment is. I just find it incredulous that he has performed the same act for 20 yrs basically without new props. In Hong Kong, it would be suicidal to perform the same act for a market that relies a lot on word of mouth recommendation and repeat bookings.
Anyway, Im a great fan of your innovative approach to kids magic and know that to get quality props you have to pay top dollar. I am sure Mr. jones understands this principle - based on the fact he is so proud of his 400 pound jeans. If the function of jeans are just to cover your private parts then why the need for such high-priced ones? The same applies to magic props - I'd rather get a sure-fire universal appeal Wolf magic prop than an overpriced piece of cloth!
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HI,
The thread is called " Kovari's Turbo Bunny vs. Run Wolf Run" I merley gave my own opinion and that of others who I have spoken to regarding which they thought was the best. THE WHOLE POINT OF A THREAD CALLED "Kovari's Turbo Bunny vs. Run Wolf Run" I would have thought. Then Smartini jumped in with basicaly a classist remark ....


"I also agree with Mr. Lucky in that most people will shy away from Wolfs magic based solely on the price. Funny how everyone wants quality but not enough to pay for it."


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I responded to this but I have never said your product was crap or poor, just that in my opinion the other product was superior.
I am sorry if you do not like my view but there it is
maybe you would have prefered the thread to be called HAIL WOLF PRODUCTS!

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I just find it incredulous that he has performed the same act for 20 yrs basically without new props. In Hong Kong, it would be suicidal to perform the same act for a market that relies a lot on word of mouth recommendation and repeat bookings.

Hi,
my market relies on word of mouth too, several performers Terry Herbert, Terry Seabrooke, Billy Mcomb to name a few all gave the same advise years ago which basicaly said. don't keep changing your act, get an act Tweak it refine it Terry herbert had been doing his kids show the same one for 13years then that was at least 20 years ago and yes its the act that's on the Terry Herbert DVD the one he still performs.
Phillip


P.B. Jones,
I am not sure WHY you are even posting in this thread? You have clearly stated that you have no intention of ever performing this type of effect. Not to mention you have not purchased it and have never seen it live.
So tell us, what is your purpose? To bless us with your "professional opinion" and save us all from our own stupidity knowing that we do not have the basic knowledge to come to your final conclusions/opinions?
Or is it that you and your buddies have a reputation for coming into the Café and slamming dealers and manufacturers for no paticular reason except it makes you feel important?
Please let us in on your deepest thougths so we can become better performers and a wiser more caring person like yourself.
RR

Hi,
reading your post I am sure there are many other things that "you are not sure why" about I will leave it at that
Phillip
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This is the problem with these "versus" threads - they almost always degrade in to childish name-calling and veer wildly from the topic at hand.

Basically it boils down to this - if you are attracted to Chance's wild & wacky graphic style then you really can't do any better than his props. If you prefer less intricate graphics because you feel that they read better from farther away, then there are plenty of those to choose from.

Everyone who has actually gotten a RWR from Chance has stated that the quality is top-notch, as usual. People are also happy with Turbo Bunny, and that is fine, since it is also a well-made high-quality prop as well. There is no need to take sides here. There are plenty of props for all types of tastes.
Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
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P.S The Jeans where almost $400 not Pounds.
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I'd rather get a sure-fire universal appeal Wolf magic prop than an overpriced piece of cloth!

And that's your choice/opinion and I would not expect you to have purchased a pair of each before you could comment wether you liked the visual look of each, if this was a thread called..... designer Jeans Vrs Std label jeans I would be happy to comment on my experiences ... however its not
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To get back to the question that someone posed about the mechanics of RWR. I have a run rabbit run that I have used in my shows for years. I received my RWR several days ago. I can compare the mechanics this way - I owned a Subaru Legacy for many years (until I crashed it into a cow - a different story), to which I then purchased a BMW. Both are excellent cars, but the BMW far surpasses the Subaru in many respects (mechanics, handling, etc.) Run Wolf Run is the BMW of this line. I find it much easier to use than the original. I've tested it out in front of a group of ten children, who thought it was my "best" and "funniest" trick that I do. Will it be seen by a larger group? This Friday I'm performing for 800 people - This will be in my show, and I'll report back as to whether it can be seen "at the back". But I have no worries about the mechanics - all aspects of the wolf move with a slight touch of my finger. I especially like the fact the wolf can appear above his own house (again, with an easy touch of my finger).
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Thanks for getting back to the point, Jizmagic. A short 2c worth about fancy props, though....
Bright, colourful props enhance a kidshow, period. If you don't have such props, if your props are old and tired, but your routines shine, imagine what a new splash of colour can add to your show. I have a busking background, so I will happily work new material, and improvise in front of a live audience. My style is "half scripted, half spur-of-the-moment". And Wacky Wolf props Work Wonders! I never repeat the same show for the same group of kids.
I'm not saying PB Jones' approach is wrong, nor that mine is right, but we all choose to get up and perform in our own style. I love cartoons, so do the kids, and we all love big funky props.
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Some people have commented on where's the magic? That would be the mysterious wolf appearing in all manner of places, apparently on his own. You also have the surprise appearance of the wolf from wherever you like. Isn't this magical or am I missing something?

I just opened my RWR today and it's simply amazing.

Another comment on the visibility thing...I wouldn't call it busy but rather detailed and quality artwork. Both of these are a rare thing in magic. Usually you get a dragon or something resembling Mr. Stickman. Also, if any performer claims to not see the rabbit running across the barren geography that is the Turbo Bunny then one might think they are really thick.
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The magic is in the performer. Does not matter about either prop. In the right hands, either, or both will be a smashing success, or a comple failure, depending on the performer.
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Very true mrLucky. but IMHO Wolf's Magic makes me feel a lot more confident in my abilities to perform as a children't entertainer. I know that my props will never fail me. So, I am not knocking Turbo Bunny down, I just enjoy Run Wolf Run a lot more. You get what you pay for. My wife asked me how much I paid for Run Wolf Run. I told her how much and she did not even blink about it. She said that is was a great prop. It did surprise her with the pop up feature over the coop. Thanks Chance. Everyone take care!
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On 2006-05-28 10:22, Chance Wolf wrote:
Sorry, but I gotta defend my prop. ...
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I don't think so Chance. Your company appears to be doing pretty well without the need of defending anything. You have stated your guidelines of work, and they include quality, and customer service, so with all due the respects, you are just waisting your time when you try to defend something that you know is good, and customers are telling so.

Just my 2 cents....on a different token.

You know you have me among your fans, but I will have to agree with one of the opinions stated somewhere else, that the fun is there and is important, but the magic is very weak. Let's all go back to the basics that besides entertainers we are magicians, and we shold perform magic. That is why I was asking you to maybe release more products that shy away from sucker effects.

There are so many of these effects you can include on a specific show. I cannot image doing a show with blow yur stack, hip hop magician and the RWR. If there are magicians doing these 3 effects along some other sucker tricks, I just can feel sorry for the magic is been presented to the public overall. I still include one or two sucker effects in my kids shows, but I am trying to elimate them all.
I think these effects at the end promote the attitude of the audience of that "need" to catch the magician.

Before everyone jumps on my case, I am not saying that ALL wolf products are like this, but there is a good percentage of them (in my opinion) I would love to see the Wolf talent to be more focused onto some other magical effects.

Once again I congratule you for your work, your values and your vision.
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I don't think Hip Hop magician and RWR would work in the same show really. I see them both as opening effects, once you have done your introduction. Blow Yur Stack is really better for older kids, so again, it wouldn't be likely that I would put them in the same show. All these items are ones that would surely be included early in a show. But if I feel a show needs more "magic", there are plenty of quick tricks that inject that element. For instance, when I run a game of "Blow Yur Stack" (which is how I see it, rather than a trick), I always start off with "Rockin' Cheese", which IS very magical and fast. That introduces the cheese theme. Blow Yur Stack is hilarious if done right, and I always get a fantastic reaction. I wear a blindfold bag over my head which adds to the comedy, and also makes me appear more magical.
The "run" theme was never especially magical to adults, but it's proved its worth to entertainers for many years, because kids LOVE that plot!
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Eddie, I am with you. I feel more comfortable with the high quality of Wolf Magic.
I have a bunch of it, so do not get me wrong, I am a Wolf Magic fan.
They look great, and work even better!
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Carlos,
As you know, I respect you as my customer and appreciate your opinion and support. Please remember, we are a new company and have a ways to go in creating new products. However, we have been releasing new effects or new versions of old ideas at a pretty good rate.
I have to disagree that I am have too many sucker effects. Actually only 3 out of 17 are sucker effects. If you include all my products, I am sure you will find a nice variety of effects from pure magic to classic sucker effects.
I must stress an important point in performing for kids. The "Magic" is NOT always as important as the Entertainment. Some of you may break out in hives when I say this but it is true. The point is to create as much FUN as possible with Magic being the vehicle. If one mixes up some great "Magic" along with some fun, but not to "magical" effects, I can assure you the kids could care less...just the little magicians in the audience will criticise you Smile
I honestly am not as concerned with the "magic" of my products as I am the entertainment value. That's my philosophy and I'm sticking to it Smile
Remember, I do not expect everyone to buy EVERY trick I make ( thank God some do ) and that is why I have a variety of "Sucker effects" as well as "Magical effects".
Once again, I appreciate your opinion and no need for anyone to be offended as I understand your points.
Take care
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It should be pointed out that it is not a case of 'magic vs. entertainment'.

The two are not mutually exclusive although I have heard magicians have complaints made about them because it was 'all jokes and not much magic' as well as magicians defend their lack of entertainment value because they are 'magicians'!

In recent years I have tried to strive for both great magic and great entertainment together.
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Nicholas,
That was the point I was attempting to make. I think it is best to have a nice balance. That is a recipe for sure success!
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On 2006-05-30 23:58, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote:
It should be pointed out that it is not a case of 'magic vs. entertainment'.

The two are not mutually exclusive although I have heard magicians have complaints made about them because it was 'all jokes and not much magic' as well as magicians defend their lack of entertainment value because they are 'magicians'!

In recent years I have tried to strive for both great magic and great entertainment together.


I completely agree, but there is a buch of fellow magicians out there that are forgetting the magic side completely and getting entertaiment (for who) mostly out of sucker effects. I think this is not good for magic overall, and this type of presentations is what cause that "sting" in the audience and that desire and belive that is their duty to catch the magician.
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The think a good die box routine can be magical, entertaining and a sucker effect!
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I think the RRR/RWR/R___R effect is not about "catching" the magigian.
It is about helping the (not too clever cq foolish hower greatly appreciated) magigian. The magiian just does not see the rabbit/wolf/... run around and the intention of the kids when shouting and screeming is to HELP (not to catch) the magigian. "IT'S BEHIND YOU!!!" (Never seen a kid being focussed on "hey I KNOW, the magigian is just moving his hand to make the rabbit/wolf/... run.

About the one versus they other.
If I had the money to own both I would tend to use the turbo bunny for the really young ones (up to age 4 or maybe 5) and the RWR for the older + mixed groups.
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