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Devils Advocaat Loyal user London 248 Posts |
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On 2002-12-12 15:35, Rob Eubank wrote: Once you switch it on, Rob, and start to load software it will crash I used to use Macs (personally) all the time. System 6 & 7 were great. The only thing holding them back in country at least was software availability and system prices. Frank.
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HiveMind Veteran user 303 Posts |
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On 2002-12-11 16:38, Scott Ocheltree wrote: Yeah me either, not directly anyway. I just couldn't buy a PC that didn't have XP on it last time I bought a computer. So I guess it was HP that forced that OS on me. Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the empire..err...Microsoft but... ahh you get the point.
"Free will is an illusion." - B.F. Skinner
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Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts |
I am a PC guy. At my college, where I got my degree in computers, they switched to PC. Same with the area schools. The PC is a business machine and as the courts pointed out, the world runs on the PC.
Every store that sold Mac, went out of business, now the major chain store have much smaller section and selection of Macs. I'm surprised Mac is still in business. When I look at their (Apple) financial reports, they keep selling out their holdings to stay afloat, in the tune of millions of dollars. It is true many graphic desisners use Macs, however, the PC is gaining a lot of headway in this area. My guess is that Mac lovers will always love their Macs. The ones I met are so strongly in love with them I don't think anyone can convince them otherwise there are other machines in the world. I've been asked numerous times (more so many years ago) which computer should I purchase. My answer still stands, If your into business, plan to work for business people, Play games, use it as a family computer, or want to just use it as a word processor, then the PC is better because of price, shear number of software products, repairability, and assessories (Mac had a tendency to cost double for the extras.) If your thinking of graphic design, check with the place of emplyment, or college you plan to enroll, and be guided by their program. I've used Mac and PC and perfer the PC.
Dennis Michael
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Scott Ocheltree Veteran user 364 Posts |
Dennis,
I respect your posts on this forum regarding magic very much, but I sense from the things you say on this topic that you haven't had much recent experience with Apple's current operating system or computers. If you did, I think you might be surprised by the things you'd find. You are right that there are more programs available for Windows than Mac OS, but let's talk about programs that most people use; what is the "Killer App" available only for MS Windows? I can't think of one. And now that the heart of the Mac is Unix more and more business admin tools are available every day. Now that the Windows platform has followed Apple's lead in adopting USB and FireWire interfaces the Mac uses all the same peripherals that Windows does at no greater cost. I would advise against making a recomendation regarding someone's purchase of present day systems based on experience you had "many years ago". Not "every store that sold Mac" went out of business - the local Mac dealer here is doing quite well. Apple just opened their own 50th store, and their stock is doing better than most other company's in the tech sector. While I'm not sure I like the way you refer to "Mac lovers", I think you would probably lump me in that lot, even though I am well aware that there are "other machines in the world". I'm in business, work for business people, play games, have a family computer, and word process - all very easily on a Mac. I also use a Palm, burn CD's, and edit video all on my Mac. i USE Mac and PC both for my living and prefer the Mac. But don't just take my word for it - here's what other non-Mac users are saying: www.infoworld.com |
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Dark illusionist Loyal user pough town new york 253 Posts |
PC, even though macs look cooler. To be perfectly honest, I hate this debate! This girl won't stop annoying me with her stupid mac stuff after attending a computer camp and having a mac mess up a project I was working on. Somebody stayed up all night and fixed it...almost .whatever
jonathan
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Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts |
Scott,
I have felt your frustration many times over and have had converstions with many Mac lovers. An yes it is obvious you love your Mac. I haven't come across one person who has a Mac that doesn't feel like you, believe like you, and defend thier Mac's with a passion. It was not my intent to debate this issue. You're right my experience with recent Mac has been limited, and I know you're not going to like that experience and this is the way I choose it to be just like you chose to be a Mac person. The fact is, I want nothing to do with Macs, and neither do my clients. Like Jonathan, I hate this debate because there are no clear "winners" Mac people won't change nor will PC people. For the average "Joe" looking to get into the computer world with limited resources, the PC is the way to go. It is the advice I still give and it has NEVER failed me. There are more busineses who write applications, and build computers and assessories for the PC then Macs. It might be true that Mac opened ther 50th store, but it's also true there are thousand more Apples stores, who went out of business. Also there are many thousands of stores who sell PCs, and in just about every major store. The people I deal with most of the time have no clue about computers, limited cash flow, and want to use it for the Internet or word Processing, or small business. A PC with Windows, IE, and MS Office, and a Printer fill the need of most of the world. Power users already know what they want. Businesses, I recommend PC hands-down, except for those who are serious about graphic design. I then expose them to Macs, then look for a graphic design convention, and ask them to attend. It is at that convention they will make their decision. If they choose Mac then, I can't help them, they need to find a Mac dealer. Both my son and I have computer degrees and my son is now going after his master's degree in computer software engineering. I have a degree in Informational Science and a Degree in Computer Science. My son has all of the required MS certifications to justify his knowledge of network systems and network administration, along with other certifications. Until last year, I've owned and operated a computer business for over 10 years. Last year, I decided to dissolve my corporation, while it was income producing, and go full time into magic. (I like magic for it fun and the playfulness of entertaining, it's a lot less stresful than networking systems, and it's not about money) I am still up with the times and do know what is out there. The standard joke around my house is, "How many computers do I own?" I couldn't tell you because they are in each room, in college dorms, at places of employment, in closets, under desks, given to each family members, and this does count the many I've been given away (loaned to friends) and the ones I through out. I can't tell you how many Macs, and Apple computer I trashed. (No disrespect intended.) When schools ask me to convert to PC, I tried to give away the Macs and Apples, and I was bombarded with phone calls for support to them. It was eaiser just to trash them. It is a fact that the once domineered market of schools with Apple computers, are now (if they haven't already) switched to the PC. I just can't see telling families Mac is the way to go when their kids are learning off of and using a PCs in school. (This was not always the case. In the 80's, Apples were recomended at one time.) I know you are of same mind, as I am. The readers out there must choose, what they want for there home and business. The choice is up to them. (If they are reading this,then most likely, the choice has already been made.) You love your Mac, and I the PC. Nothing said here, on this thread, will ever change that! As for the link you supplied, you can't believe the 3 GHz PC Powerhouse System I could build for the $3,000 1 GHz Mac system in that article. And to the readers, sorry for the long disseration, I hesitated writing the previous post because I truly know a heated debate would result.
Dennis Michael
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Scott Ocheltree Veteran user 364 Posts |
Dennis,
I'm not frustrated and I don't think that an open debate has to be heated. I believe that you are correct that there is probably little chance that either of us will convince the other to switch platforms. I worked as the lead I.T. technician for a school district for 3 years. I know how long a school district hangs on to computer equipment - and how long Apple equipment lasts. I am not surprised you had difficulty in supporting the systems you tried to reuse. Used systems rarely have documentation, or the correct install disks. My guess is that supporting Windows systems of comparable vintage and support materials would not be much fun either. Try to connect a Win 3.1 or even Win95 system to the internet. It's not impossible, but it's not a cakewalk for the novice user either. I am only saying that there is really little difference in the capabilities of the two systems. If you are correct when you say, " A PC with Windows, IE, and MS Office, and a Printer fill the need of most of the world". then I don't think I'm wrong when I say, A Mac with OS X, IE, and MS Office, and a Printer will fill the need of most of the world too. And there's not that big a difference in price anymore either. Power users who build their own systems will always be able to put together a better system for less than you would pay for any brand name system. The system in the article I quoted is a 5.4lb 1" thick laptop with the largest display of any laptop available and a DVD burner. I think you would be hard pressed to put a 3 GHz system together in that configuration at any price. I think the main difference between us is that I use both MS Windows and Mac OS X daily and base my opinion on that, but as you state, your opinion is based on "little recent experience" of the Mac OS. |
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Peedlkyle New user I live in my house 98 Posts |
It doesn't have to be a heated debate, but go into any tech forum and read the posts. You will find 99% of the time messages reading "Macs suk, PC RULEZ!!!!" or "If you want to get a PC to work just don't turn it on". These are very unnecessary. I haven't tried a current Mac, ever. I would be more than happy to try it, I just prefer my PC for right now. I'm used to it and unless I really LOVED the Mac, I would most likely be unwilling to re-learn everything.
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
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Scott Ocheltree Veteran user 364 Posts |
Peedlkyle,
I agree, and that's why I refuse to use those kind of statements. There are many good reasons to choose either platform and consequently I use both. But I just can't let untrue statements, like: "Apple is going out of business" "files created on a Mac aren't compatible with Windows." "Macs aren't business machines" "Software isn't available for Macs" go unquestioned. Specific reasons that are true, such as: "I need to run NuPoint Admin in order to maintain the voice-mail system on my Mitel PBX and it's only available for Windows" - well that's a good reason to use Windows. It's one of the reasons I run Windows.... on my Mac. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Looks like APPLE didn't go out of business did it ...
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
2002?
Slim may have earned the record for resurrecting old threads. 2008? (Like the mental chess thread.) Not enough. Let's go waaaay back. How far back can we go? I'm believe in free speech, and never report posts. But this offends me, Slim. Never resurrect a thread in which I didn't post. I'm only interested in myself. |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On Dec 9, 2002, wayman wrote: I've used both. As I'm not a "hard core" user, I can use either and don't have a favorite. Wayman, have you seen this: and, by the same animator, this;
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
You are debating with 14 year old technology...
We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness...
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
Which still has fans that support it, apparently.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
Absolutely, but the technology from 2002 has changed on both sides.
I prefer Mac. All of my family is on Mac as it is all that I buy, but when I'm at work I have to use Windows. Yesterday, I was using Windows Media Player and it refused to shut down. Closing from the menu, or closing the window did nothing. I even tried using Task Manager to kill it and it refused to shut down. I looked online for a solution, but they all said the same; being that you have to restart the PC to clear it, which I did. All I know is that when a program hangs on Mac I can always kill it without a restart.
We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness...
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
MS Word looked good on the mac, which was impressive in 1987-88
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
I uses Scrivener instead of MS Word. It has a nice feature where I can convert text to speech and save it in my ITunes library.
Very helpful when doing animations.
We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness...
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
I miss WordStar.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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wwhokie1 Special user 512 Posts |
As I type on my PC, I have to admit that I would declare MAC as the better machine. Of course one point that has to be considered is that when we refer to MAC we are talking about machines made be one company while PCs are made by many different companys and therefore will vary in quality. Some PCs are better than others. This gives MAC an edge over the "average" PC. If you compare a MAC to a PC of equal cost then there is not a lot of difference in quality, with each having strengths and weaknesses. Therefore your choice of which is better will be determined by your needs. However, for most people either machine will meet and even exceed your needs. Unless you have specialized needs that require the extra power, most computers, even the cheapest will far exceed the needs of the average user regardless of whether it is MAC or PC, or the latest and most powerful. From my experience MAC seems to have a longer life, but I can buy 2 or 3 cheaper PC's for the cost of a MAC. Laptops take a lot of abuse, so I like the option of spending less on my laptop. If something happens, I didn't just break a thousand dollar MAC, it was only a three hundred dollar PC. No problem, I will just go buy another one and still not have spent as much as I would have on a MAC. My current Laptop works great, its four years old and I only spent three hundred on it. I don't have heavy demanding needs, so a MAC just isn't worth the cost for me.
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts |
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On Mar 3, 2016, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: If only you had a 5 1/4 disk drive
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