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TannerJade Veteran user Canada 307 Posts |
Now I am sorry if this has been discussed a lot before, I apologize!
Now, If you could pick one source that teaches a Cups & Balls routine, what would it be? Please let me know your thoughts, and reasons why! Thanks so much in advance! Magically, Tanner J |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Depends on your personality and how you want to present it to your audience.
Looking for "one source" is a mistake. Get these: Vernon Gazzo Ammar Cellini Tommy Wonder David Williamson Carl Andrews and explore.
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Glenn Watson Special user 781 Posts |
Bill Palmer Would be that source.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts |
Overall, the best source is Michael Ammar's material: both his book and DVDs: 'The Complete Cups & Balls'. If you could only chose one of those, then I would go for the DVDs. However, to have a good overview, you have to use more than one source.
A list of 'must haves' has been discussed previously by Bill, Frank and others here. Richard
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MagiUlysses Special user Kansas City 504 Posts |
Greetings and Salutations,
I second taliesin's advice. If you can only have one resource, get Ammar's DVD set, with the companion book, depending on your definition of single source. However, I'd follow his link and Frank's advice above. I started with Cellini's routine and then took bits and pieces from here and there and created my own routine, and after having a multi-phase routine that was starting to repeat itself, I slashed it down to it's current form. One source is not enough. Just my $.02 (USD) worth. YMMV. Joe in KC |
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TannerJade Veteran user Canada 307 Posts |
Gottcha guys
Thanks so much already for all the help Magically, Tanner J |
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mindpirate Regular user Northern Virginia 186 Posts |
Ammar...Hands Down
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swtrocks Loyal user Los Angeles 206 Posts |
Just wondering, but where is the Vernon routine found, besides at the end of Ammar's Vol 2?
Steven |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Vernon's original routine was published in
The Dai Vernon Book Of Magic by Lewis Ganson and published by Supreme There is a reprint available from L&L I think. After this book was published the routine was given treatment in a pamphlet. Look at chapter 13Page 123. Later, Mobius |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I just remembered that Ron Bauer's routine is not so bad for a true beginner just wanting to get their feet wet.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts |
...or the routine in Mark Wilson's 'Complete Course in Magic'.
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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TannerJade Veteran user Canada 307 Posts |
Thanks Guys!
I just realized in my new book, "The Magic of Michael Ammar" he teaches a routine! How do you all like that one? Thanks! Tanner |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
That is a very well done routine and the best place to learn it is from that book.
He touches on aspects of his own routine in the Cups and Balls DVD.....it is performed and fully explained on the Stevens Cups and Balls tapes and DVD as well as on an older Ammar video. My opinion is that the routine is very magical from the very begining to the very end. Get practicing...... Mobius |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
For a full more interesting presentation of Ammar's routine that was performed on the World's Greatest Magic special....Mike put the routine on The Exciting World of Magic DVD as a bonus item. Performed at the Caesar's Magical Empire which no longer exsists.
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Jim Mullen Veteran user Lake Tahoe, California 351 Posts |
I agree that the best place to start is with the Michael Ammar book and DVD. These give Ammar's complete professional routine in the utmost detail. They provide everything you need to do an outstanding performance of the cups and balls. If you have to get only one of these, get the DVD because it demonstrates Ammar's timing and his adept handling of such moves as the Vernon Wand Spin, which are difficult to explain in text.
Ammar's book also gives the Vernon routine, which you may like. I prefer the Ammar routine to Vernon's, but this is only my personal preference. Nevertheless, if you wish to do the Vernon routine, the best way to learn it is from the Ammar meterial because Ammar's material is better presented and easier to follow than Vernon's own, namely his book and video tape. (The Vernon video tape is a poor quality remake of a film he did many years ago and does not provide the level of explanation that is noteworthy in all of L&L's DVDs, including the Ammar Cups and Balls DVD. On the Vernon routine, you might note that there are several versions. In addition to the one given in Vernon's book, there is an impromptu version given in Stars of Magic. Again, from the Ammar book and DVD, you will learn to do an outstanding Cups and Balls routine--arguably the best in the world today. The only problem is that you end up with a "me too" trick that does not include your own contrubution. To give it your own "personality," you will wish to pursue the other sources that are mentioned in these postings. These will prompt your own unique additions to the effect. Good luck.
Jim Mullen
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
All good thoughts and suggestions here.
I would add that although Ammar's book does provide the Vernon routine (as well as several other ones), the emphasis is on demonstrating the basic elements and various moves of the Cups & Balls, so that the reader can develop his/her own routine, based on skill level, personality, presentation requirements, etc. In my view, the book is more like a tool kit than anything else -- Ammar gives you the tools to construct your own routine, and it's up to you to put the pieces together in a way that works best for you. The complete routines are provided as examples of what can be done and should be studied, but not copied. SETH
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waltsal Loyal user 278 Posts |
The Mark Wilson routine is much better explained and easier to follow for anyone learning cups and balls. The Ammar book and video would be a great follow up.
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flimnar Special user Salt Lake 577 Posts |
Many good possibilities.....whichever you choose, the main thing is to just get started!
Flimnar
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Don't start with something too overwhelming. Get something under your belt to get your feet wet.
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TannerJade Veteran user Canada 307 Posts |
Thank you to all!
Now for the type of cups, and the size of balls I have wooden cups and it seems like quite small balls...would this be a good start? Thanks all! Magically, Tanner J |
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