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Yea, sure. I do 40 festivals a year. Not too short on work. And it's amazing, they always ask me back. Well, almost all the time. I'm going to New Orleans to working there a bunch this winter. I also have some other pitches I'm working on.

I have routines that are modular so I can just plug stuff in.

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koz,
"...a guy with no sense of right or wrong"
I'm laughing again.

I like that. Keep it up. That way you're getting smacked and I can just sit back and laugh my butt off.

Come to San Francisco or something so I can check out your act.

I'm horrible at gathering a crowd.

Speaking of a crowd. Are there any acts out there that use 2 magicians or dueling magicians? Seems like that could be pretty funny. 1/2 the hats I suppose since you'd have to split 'em.

Peter, where do you do your busking?
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On 2002-12-11 11:46, Danny Hustle wrote:

Why not write the routine around the guy? If the guy is true to his girl he can walk through the rope. Almost like a lie detector. You could play it straight, or as a great comedy bit. In my opinion (even though you didn't ask for it Smile )it is always bad form to make yourself look like the hero at the end of the trick.

MANY magicians do this and in my opinion it is often why many people hate magicians. Ask anyone what their biggest complaint is about magicians and it will almost always be, "The try and make people look stupid and they think they are better than everyone else."

I've checked, that's what I usually get back.

Not to mention, a guy using a magic trick that that tries to makes him look desirable to women almost always comes off like a geek who can't get a date. It is often uncomfortable to watch. <-- I am talking in general here and not about you or what you described. Just food for thought.

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"BUT I CANNOT GET A DATE."

Actually, so far I have had no bad response,
for the routine is non-offensive.
And I do not portrait myself as a hero. Far from it. It is a very good comedy and people are laughing from the very beginning to the end. But you would have to see it. Smile

As for Nathan Pain,
a note to myself, "Always make sure he is not in the audience!" Smile
By the way ropes? At home? Smile
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Yep, I'm gettin smacked. That's why I don't like magicians. They are so judgmental. Cellini would say to me, "Screw Pete." What's he matter anyway? Who's ever heard of him? Of course, he didn't say that but he likely would...lol...It's amazing, a guy like me, travelling the earth, no sense of right and wrong, making money. People will watch anything won't they? lol I suck. Someday I aspire to be good enough to play Canada. lmao
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There is only one thing to say. You with the kiss gag and me with the rope are doomed.
And as for playing in Canada?
I think even a tourist visa is now out of the question. Smile
But do not worry, there are some other countries. Like a... or the...uhmm...or other. See? So do not wory. There is a hope. Smile
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It sucks to hear our magic life is over. I guess I might start writing a column in a trade magazine on how not perform magic.
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Vaclav,
You'd better leave my special special ropes out of this discussion. Smile

Nathan Pain

Maybe you guys could just do the six card repeat instead, but wait, that will offend also. I'd rather have ya kiss my wife, than see that one more time! When I was a teenager, I was great at six card repeat, PLEASE FORGIVE ME! It has been banished!
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I'm going to try to interject without making any judgments...

Just because a bit is 100 years old doesn't mean it's still good today. I LOVE Abbott & Costello, but a mean guy slapping a sweet, chubby guy all the time wouldn't be accepted well in today's social climate. Neither would Al Jolson in blackface.

Further, while I hate it when I lose a gig, it is a proprietor's right to can you any time he wants for any reason he wants. It's happened to everybody (except maybe Skinner...) who's performed for any length of time.

I did a little "market research." I asked 12 ladies, ranging in age from 18 to 65 (one was my wife), how they would react if they stopped to watch a show on the street and someone did this to them. 11 said they would be very offended (the 65 year-old said she'd be flattered!), but only one said she'd complain to management, the rest said they'd play along and laugh and pretend to enjoy it, but that they would never hire that person for a private show, and six said they would warn their friends not to stop/participate in that performer's show.

For what it's worth...

Oh, and by the way, I'm a funny guy who takes some chances, too. I used to do that bit occasionally myself, but I stopped when I got married, as it offended my wife. She never said anything, but I could tell she didn't like it, even though she knew I was teasing...

So, it's up to each person to decide. But remember, just 'cuz folks aren't complaining...
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Ok so I have to ask...What is Cellini's gag with the kids and money? I'm just a poor college kid and have no money for anything other then text books and ramen noodles for breakfast lunch and dinner so I'd love someone to explain it rather then refer me to this book or that.
OR pay off my loans and I'll buy the DVD (and a player =-)

Sounds great though!

Oh and for the record, I'd think the Kissing gag would be really funny. I wouldn't mind if it was done to my girl so long as the guy didn't look like he was a sleazy STD kinda guy. I'd also only laugh on the outside if it was done in a way where she thought it was funny.

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On 2002-12-12 04:03, SpiffnikHopkins wrote:
Ok so I have to ask...What is Cellini's gag with the kids and money?

It's actually Gazzo's gag, and YES he did write it, although no one gives him credit for it. I've done a TON of research on Gazzo's act (see spent almost a grand on reference material) and that gag is listed NOWHERE in the annals of vaudeville history. And I've gotten my information from reading over 500 books on the subject, not to mention every gag book Robert Orben ever put out, a hundred Vaudeville blackout sketches, several large tomes on the subject, and I even had the good fortune of talking with several guys and gals over 80 who worked the circuit. The guys who were around before the early 80's busking NEVER saw a street performer do that gag before Gazzo.

While I am at it, it looks like the lighter gag belongs to Birdie McClean as well.

There is A LOT of material in Gazzo's show that can be traced back to Orben, vaudeville, or motion pictures, but this is not one of them.

If you want to see the gag, buy Gazzo's new cups and balls tape. That bit alone is worth the price of admission.

Best,

Dan-

P.S. Being poor is no excuse for ripping off someone. If you want the bit, pay for it. Buy the tape. You are talking to a group of street performers. If you want money, get out on the street and earn it! You can make enough to buy that tape in an hour. I doubt very much that you will get any hand outs from this group.

OR

One of the idiots that thinks Gazzo didn't write the bit might just be sleazy enough to tip it here.
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Cellini doesn't do gags. None. He does magic. That's it. He makes you smile by using his voice, not really jokes, just little things. And his face...he uses his face to make you laugh. There is only one of him. I'm not Cellini.

I'm gonna research this kiss thing myself. I'm gonna talk to people after I do it to see what they think of it. I tell you this though, the husband almost always laughs. Almost always.

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The kissing thing is a dangerous act. For starters, if you're going to perform it, stop short. The Gazzo gag was supposed to be an "eye looker." You don't actually kiss them, just look at them and go "oops" and make them blush. The reaction is ten times better and no one actually gets canned.

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On 2002-12-11 21:32, tedb wrote:
Yep, I'm gettin smacked. That's why I don't like magicians. They are so judgmental. Cellini would say to me, "Screw Pete." What's he matter anyway?

You know, what we do is about pushing the envelope. It is about taking the act, the magic, and the audience right to the edge and let them stare down into the pit.

Sometimes we fall in. All the bits can't always work.

It is a process and it works different for each and everyone of us. We have to find what works for us. Then we have to hone it.

It doesn't matter what anyone says as long as the frogskins are going into the hat at the end of the show. That is the bottom line.

For the record, I am about as hostile as Pete is in his dislike for the kiss bit in my description of about 90% of the guys out there who have wind tunnel tested hairdos, dance with their toes pointed, and dismember women to bad cha-cha music, while trying to make the audience believe the women find them sexy. I HATE these guys, I think they give magic a bad name, and I could sit here and start a rant and not stop until the cows come home.

But, this doesn't change the fact that a lot of them make a TON of money and some play the bigger houses in Vegas. So, it seems that a lot of people do not subscribe to the same philosphy as me on this topic.

My job is to bring to the public something different. That is all I can do. I try to bring something that "I think" is "better." It doesn't mean that it is in fact 'better,' but it is in my universe.

Best,

Dan-
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I'm not one of those guys that are slick Vegas guys. I dress goofy. I act a little goofy and they laugh everytime. Everytime. It works, but I lost a good gig because of it. 1 guy took it the wrong way, likely because of the way I presented it, so I most likely will kill it.

But, just because Pete doesn't like it doesn't make it wrong. Or Danny or whoever else uses it. Man, Gazzo is the most offensive street magician on the planet and I bet Pete would hate his show. That's Pete's personal opinion. which he has the right to have.

I love Gazzo. We are so much alike. I do more magic in my show, but the lines are similar. I cross that boundary of good taste 'cause I like it and so does most of my audience. Now, if Pete is watching me, he's welcome to move on. It's likely he's only worth a buck anyway. In other words, change the channel. Understand Pete? I had no problem with your opinion until you thought your opinion was the only opinion. And when you said I hurt magicians by doing these kind of gags and I give magicians bad names. Well, I tell you what., adults think magic is for kids and I want to get past that.

People don't like magicians because they think it's just for children. When they leave my show, they are laughing out loud And I hear all the stuff that Gazzo hears. That was great. So for one bone head to take this thing in a different way then it was meant to be presented is, well, too *** bad!!!

I love Gazzo. He takes it to a different place. He understands. It's humor that is what pays the bills so he makes them laugh. Took my wife to see Gazzo. She hates magic. She laughed out loud for 45 minutes then she said, "You two are too much alike." He's so rude. I'm rude too. And it's fun and the audience usually knows that it's not real. It's a show.

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I think it also depends on where you do your bit. The kiss bit would work in, say Washington Sq Park, but maybe not at Central Park, or South St.
If you want to feel like the loneliest, most unwanted person in the world, take your pc. kids b-day party show to Washington Sq. Park. At best you'll get the kids to cuss you out. Empty hat in hand.

Getting slapped for the kiss would still be funny.

Oh and Scott, asking someone if they think a joke is funny with out them seeing it for themselves is still no judge. I am willing to bet that most ladies would object to, "What would you think if some one tricked you into kissing a complete stranger for a joke in front of a big crowd."
The older lady was probably the least offended as she has probably seen the joke before. Just because it's old doesn't mean every one has seen it before. A joke out of context is not going to work. Hitler, the holocaust, funny stuff, hun? Ask Mel Brooks!

If you are any good, sooner or later you will offend someone. Some people are offended by you just being there. What then?

Oh and Koz, maybe it's me, but some people may be offended by the number of times you said, "I love Gazzo." Hmmm...
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True enough, although that is not remotely how I phrased it. Further, as I said, I'm not "judging" it--just offering something to consider. Consider it or don't--your choice.
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Dueling magicians! There's already music to set it to.

Frank, you're cracking me up now!

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The sad thing here is this thread is coming to an end and it has been fun!

I'm off to New Orleans tomorrow so if any of you are going to insult me, do it now while I can still have the pleasure of reading it. Please...geez! I hope they like me in New Orleans.....Smile

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Greetings and Salutations Koz,

Before you go, can you leave us with an update on your video projects with Cellini? I'm looking forward to Vol. 2.

Thanks for sharing, you've made it interesting. Get some fat hats in The Big Easy.

Later,

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Hey Koz,

You know that "Norl uns" is below sea level don't you? And when people die down there, they dont bury them in the ground because they would just float up to the surface. So instead they put them into buildings above ground called mausoleums.

And when a street perfromer's act "dies" down there, they dont bury it either, they just put in a building above ground called a theater.

Ok that was a long way to go for nothing....

But Have fun, be safe, make magic, and make people happy!

God Bless! C Ya Later, Friend!

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