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themystifier New user 12 Posts |
I work every other week and he pays me 20 a night plus tips. I usually walk out of there with roughly 100 after 2 hours or so. Theres a lot of regulars and people who go there just to hang out so its very relaxed and a great atmosphere to perform in. Like I said, its just a small little thing. I thought I was good, and I was, relitivaly, but not at the level I thought I was. Well, live and learn as you said. But actually yesterday I picked up another resturaunt job that I will be getting a lot more for. I start there thursday.
a villian is never a villian in his own eyes.
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Daryl -the other brother Special user Chicago 594 Posts |
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On 2006-07-04 20:28, themystifier wrote: Are you saying you make about $80.00 in tips in 2 hrs? |
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themystifier New user 12 Posts |
Roughly. Like I said, there are regulars there and once they get to know you, they tip bigger then a customer usually would. Of course I have bad nights where I don't make much at all, then I have really good nights where I make a lot. Im not saying I make that much everytime, but its around there. Sometimes the owner will give me a little more too if I stay longer then usual.
a villian is never a villian in his own eyes.
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Ireland Loyal user Regina, Sask. Canada 217 Posts |
Hello everyone....ah, to be 15 or 14 again!!!....... and know what I know now! But of course that is not possible as one of the gifts of aging is maturity and that can't be taught to a 14 or 15 year old...... we change so much between then and age 25 or so...that's one reason why many young marriages fail. I've just started performing table magic on a regular basis at an upscale pizza restaurant....I'm learning every week and I've no doubt that young people like Cory (who started these posts!) may be technically better than I but when Rich and Danny reply to his questions, it's like we're speaking two different languages.To tell Cory that he's not really asking the right questions may leave him perplexed and frustrated. Rich...your comment about personality over tricks was so well put but may not be understood by the young magicians out there. I've known too many of them who just want to be told what you like about them and just can't or won't accept advice. It's similar to when I started work as a counsellor many years ago, I knew everything......now I feel sorry for the people I saw then! But I've learned humility both in my day job and in my night job in comedy magic. In restaurant table magic, one must be flexible in how one approaches each 'audience' at a table...... so thank you Rich and Danny for your words......but your words are of little value unless there are ears to receive the sounds!....was it Words worth who said it being..... unfortunate that youth is wasted on the young!! Cheers.
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crissryan New user 4 Posts |
Hey guys My name is Criss Ryan and I am 17. I work in consistantly in 3 different restaraunts.... I have been STRONGLY into magic for 7 years...I MEAN STRONGLY...i have practiced until my tips of my fingers bleed...i swear to you...anyway... I got my first job about year and a half to 2 years ago in Richmond, IN. and it went well...very well...i knew the owners of the restaraunt and they let me do walk around table magic. I have had a lot of experience....not saying I'm the best. But I have found that my prices are to low for people....and I raise them...then someone comes a long and says well ill give ya 60 dollars...for 30 min. to an hour... and I just find it hard to believe people will do that...if I only expect 35 to 40...i mean yea I don't question them and I take it but...i don't know...also when I am doing regular shows for people...parties, ext. I have done my routines SOOOO much that I get to the point that I think that they can see what I am doing or I might change it up because I just get plain bored....but I have now began to save the tricks that I buy and I am going to...when I get enough of them I am going to switch routines....THANK GOD!!...lol... and to the above person...HOW DO YOU MAKE roughly 80 dollars in tips in 2 hours at one restaraunt....once a week...idk...the only time that I made a LOT of money and I got lucky some how...and on the Forth Floor Blues Club in Richmond I was asked to do a Casino Night... and yes they let me in....lol...no drinks though... and I made 160.00 but I did it in 1 hour... I got paid a straight up 100 and 60 in tips...but there were over 1400 people there too....pretty much all I did was betting tricks like 2 card monte....but I don't think its possible to make every week 80 dollars in tips at ONE restaraunt....it doesn't seem possible...to me..but if anyone would like to visit my site its http://www.crissryan.com and yes I did do the entire site from scratch....by myself...lol...but I would EXTREMELY appreciate you guys signing up in my new forums section...i just got it the other day and I don't have very many users...well guys I will be waiting for your response to my message...thanks....
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alexa Veteran user NJ 393 Posts |
I am 15 and a half, and I got my first restaurant job when I was 13, september of my freshman year. On Thursday I cold-called about 10 resturants and on Friday had meetings with the managers at Applebee's and Friday's. Yeah, I was awful at 13, but how did I learn? I charmed a manager, he paid me, and I learned by doing, and now I have two year's worth of experience under my belt.
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
$80 in 2 hours in tips isn't unheard of, but it IS rather extraordinary. I do remember working a table at a mexican/irish place in Chicago long ago where the guy these two GORGEOUS women were with was ignoring them, flirting with the women at the next table over, his back to us the whole time.
Well, when the ladies screamed when I did the sponges into the hand, he turned around, really fast and presented a famous face, complete with a mohawk haircut and snarled "Whatchoo doin' wit dese ladies, fool?!" I looked at the massive amounts of gold chain on his chest, which was large enough to land carrier-based airceaft on, and flicked some of the chains a bit and said, "What's with all this? Are you someone famous? This looks like a Mr. T Starter Kit!" Well, since he WAS Mr. T, the scowl got positively Gary Coleman for a moment (and my life flashed before my eyes) and then he cracked up, big time. When I finished my set, he shook my hand, leaving a bill in it. When I finally looked at it, it had a 1 on it... followed by two zeros. All for about 9 minute's work. So it CAN happen, folks. And, for the record, that's not the only time it's happened, either. Thee ARE big tippers out there and they DO tip big if you impress them. But NEVER, never count on your tips to pay your bills. And never, never EVER work in a restaurant just FOR tips! Everyone else who works there is on the payroll and you should be, too. Nuff Said. Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
80 dollars in 2 hours is hardly worth the time if you ask me.
It is simply a matter of perspective. The place I had we offered 55 dollar appetisers. The richest people in the world came in regularly from Ocean Reef, (in Key Largo) so it wasn't unheard of to get the $100 tips. It was average of 20. So it depends on where you do it. Which only stresses my arguement to work better places, rather than family places.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I think the folks posting that are teenagers might be yanking everyone's chain about the work they are getting and the money they are making.
Chris
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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alexa Veteran user NJ 393 Posts |
Um, I'm one of those teenagers. If you have any doubts about what I've posted, please PM fccfp. Yes, it's my father, yes, it makes me look and sound even more young and inexperienced to bring my dad into this, but he can vouch for me, and I'd rather be able to provide proof from a family member than have you believe I am lying.
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Ben Proudfoot Loyal user 212 Posts |
Hello everyone,
My name is Ben Proudfoot, and I've known Cory personally for over a year now. I am 15 years old, and have my own restaurant job weekly on the Halifax Waterfront. Cory has plenty of ways to contact me, so I'm not sure why he posted here before asking me, which would seem like the best place to check seeing as we live in the same city and are around the same age. Nonetheless, he went out and asked you folks who promptly and rightly shot him down. He had asked me about his restaurant routines which he had been working on and I told him I thought he wasn't ready. He agreed with me at the time, but later 'forgot' and called a few restaurants with no success as projected. He then comes on here, and everyone tells him what I told him and harsher. I had previously told him he needed more people experience, which he was having trouble doing so he got antsy and jumped the gun. I do believe he has spent hours by himself practicing, but lacks people experience. I believe his goal was to come here asking for tips looking for blind magicians to give him their secrets on approaching managers, expecting that he'd get the answers he wanted. Not going to happen. People at my age are automatically seen as inexperienced and immature, and that it because most often, we are. Cory, is a kind and talented young man,who is a good magician, but unfortunately in this case is inexperienced for the job; not only in magic but it seems in other aspects of life as well. Hopefully he will listen to me next time before subjecting himself to a board of magicians who will put him in his place. I apologize to anyone here who has conceived the notion that all younger magicians are inexperienced or immature, and also apologize to anyone beleiving I did not instate the proper values of magic and entertainment in Cory. I'll do my best to speak with him as soon as possible, and I'm sure he appreciates the advice he has received. For now, if we could all wish the best to Cory and move on, it would be great. Thank you for your time, Ben Proudfoot |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Ben.
First off it is not your place to take ownership of the way someone else acts. It is quite mature, but still not your responsability. You give the advice. If they take it, then great, if not, well you tried anyhow. Second MOST kids your age act that way outside of magic. Again not your fault. The perception is there for a reason as you stated, most act that way. Funny as you get older people STILL have perceptions about who and what you are. You pay insurance according to the stupidest person in your age bracket, until you can "prove" your not that stupid. Heck just the perception in general of "magician" is bad and needs to be overcome. It does NOT get better with time. I am glad to see proof of the fact that not all 15 year olds are as you say antsy and immature. You speak well for your generation!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
Ben, I'm glad you came in. I'm also glad that you contacted me and told me what you thought. The reason why I was hesitant to listen to these people is because they have never seen me perform. But, you however have. Not much, but enough to see a lot of my weaknesses, and strengths.
I still, however, feel that it is somewhat unfair to judge people on their age. You guys in this case were mostly right apparently. But, you still don't know me, and I asked a question, and didn't get the answer. I am just trying to give a good name for younger magicians, that's all. Anyway, off that topic already, I just wanted to thank Ben for his advise. He has definatley been such a great help with my magic. And now that someone who knows me well enough to actually be able to judge me, I will take his advise. I remember when he told me that I was not ready. But later on, I was getting mixed messages. My fault. He was asking how my routines were going, and who I was calling, and if I had a job yet, etc. From THAT I was understanding that he thought I was ready. And since he knows me well, I once again took the advise that I thought to be true, but in reality was actually false. So I started working at my restaurant work again. that's when I came here, and asked you guys for tips on approaching managers. So, it was just miscommunication on my part which led me to think that Ben thought I was ready. Which led ME to think I was ready. My bad. I was wrong. I want to say sorry for all the misunderstandings, and my over-defenceiveness. (Definatley spelled that wrong.) I was trying to put a good name for young magicians, since you guys seemed to be judging us all as a whole to be inexperienced, and immature. WHICH IS DEFINATLEY NOT TRUE!!! Some of us may be, like, apparently, me, but a lot of us aren't. Ben is an amazing guy. Definatley one of the most amazing people I have ever met. Nice, helpful, he's always been here for me. And once again, here is is to the rescue. Definatley one of the nicest friends I got. HE, gives a good title to younger magi. I, however don't. I was trying, but I'm sorry. I was wrong. Magic has definatley been getting hard for me. I am getting frustrated with all the practicing, and routining, and polishing it takes to do a half decent job. Sometimes I feel like giving up. But magic has also been a pleasure to enjoy. Yes, it has been hard at times. A lot recently, because I was hoping to get a job going soon at a small restaurant down the way. My dad used to know him, and by coincidence, we met, and he wants me to perform there for kids night. I am still trying to figure out a way to say no, without ruining it for him. Which is another hard thing I have been dealing with. I work soo hard, and then, just like magic, my work dissapears. Stuff happens, what can I say. But yes, believe it or not, magic has been HARD WORK. And it does get frustrating for me. But I was in worse shape than this going into it. And it has really saved me. That however, is another story. Anyway, I wish all you guys the best. -Cory. |
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mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
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Magic has definatley been getting hard for me. I am getting frustrated with all the practicing, and routining, and polishing it takes to do a half decent job. Sometimes I feel like giving up. But magic has also been a pleasure to enjoy. Always go for perfection. Don't go for anything less. Just about frustration of practicing. Can you smile even as your palm bleed after you practiced muscle pass for 2 hours because you finally got that coin to jump? Keep it going there. In a few years you'd be profieicnt at it. Magic's like everything in life- it takes a lot of time to become proficient at it. |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
Yes, I remember when I finally got the knack of the muscle pass. And I was very happy. It took months of very hard practice, but it was worth it. I don't use it much, because there is another magician in town that uses it. It is kinda like one of his signature pieces. So I don't want to take that away from him, and put it in any of my shows. But I will occassionally show it to friends and family. Just small groups that know me personally. But otherwise, I leave that effect to Patrick. But its not really the single tricks that bother me. I don't mind practicing a new trick, or a new routine. It's just the repitition. It gets boring. And I practice, and fix it. Practice it, and fix it. Do that over and over and over and over and over and.... Well, you get the idea. Doing it all the time gets annoying, and hard. Figuring out what to add, take away, fix, etc. But in the end, it is worth it. When I can finally do it with my eyes closed, I can do it in front of an audience. And that's the fun part. Doing it for real people. People that can laugh at the jokes, people to give you a challenge that you have to work with. that's why I love magic. It gives you a special way to connect with the audience. It makes everyone feel good. I am now working on a stage act. It could possible take up to a year to get it where I want it. I want to convey certain messages in the show. I want to change the way people think. I really want to get in their heads, and connect with them on a personal level. My goal is to have them leaving being personally touched, (And if they don't feel touched, I will be around after the show, then I can touch them, and then I acheaved my goal. )
Its gonna take a while, but it will be worth it. I just don't know what I'm going to do now. My first goal was to get confidence, and do performances for actual people. Then, when I thought I was ready, I would give it a try. First in a small restaurant, then move on up. But that's not happening, so I am at a loss. I have to do more people performances as Ben calls them. But, like he said, unfortunatley, the best way to do that is in a restaurant. But, if I'm going to have to do actual gigs, how is that going to get me ready for restaurant work? I could see how it would get you ready for stand up type stuff, but its not really in a restaurant enviroment. that's why I was thinking of doing a small restaurant, for almost no money, so the restaurant wouldnt have anything to loose, and we both only have gain. But, that's not an option anymore. So how do I get STEADY gigs? How do I get ready for the things that a restaurant will throw at me, without actually performing at a restaurant? That is my new question. And, if the answer is birthday parties, gatherings, etc, then how do I get enough of them so I will be getting steady money, (Because that is what I was hoping to achieve with a restaurant) and get a restaurant job without waiting 5 years to get 20 shows? Because, as of now, Im not getting many gigs. And at the rate I'm going, it will take about 2 years before I get enough experience to do a restaurant. So, right now, I don't know what I will do. I will just have to figure something out. Maybe this just isn't for me? I don't know. I guess I'm still finding myself. Anyway, wish me luck with whatever I decide to do. Thansk for the input everybody. -Cory. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Your not really putting a great name for 15 year olds forth. You lack the introspecitve quality necessary for self critical thought. That is a sign of maturity, not waiting till someone who meets your personal qualifications telling you what you want to hear.
Had you been mature you would have taken critical thought from those who have walked where you are walking and want to walk. Just because we don't know YOU personally, does in no way mean we don't know exactly what you are going through. It takes forever to learn that. Ben has already picked up on it which puts him in a great place. Being told what you don't want to hear sucks. No doubt about it. Always has always will. Nothing can be done about it. Grow some thick skin, open up your ears as well as your mind and life will be a lot easier. Sound harsh? Well it is. Too bad. Reality is harsh. If you want to do magic as a profession forget about it being fun. It is not about YOU having fun, it is about your audience getting the value of the money they pay to see you. Look at it as simply "fun" and it will be tough to succede. Fun is too self centered a concept. It is work. Again harsh? Yep, but again it is reality. Better you learn these things now than in front of an audience less than happy with the result you have given them for the money that they have spent. If your willing to work and listen then truley eventually you will find out how to have fun. But it is huge different between doing magic for fun, and doing it for a living. If you want to be taken seriously as a performer, you need to learn the difference. I do wish you good fortune, as luck dosn't exist, we make our own luck.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
Thanks for the help. Hearing that magic as a profession is going to suck, is just wonderful!
I'm just still trying to figure out where to go from here. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Nobody said that. But if your against hard work then perhaps it is not where you want to go. It takes hard work and dedication.
Part of the problem with being 15 is usually you have all but both of those qualities.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
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On 2006-06-17 21:10, PaleoMagi wrote: That is a question I have as well. I know that there is no way of getting actual restaurant experience without actually working a restaurant, but that is why I was going to try it. I was going to give it a try, to see if all that work has paid off. But now that I can't do that, how DO I get experience for a restaurant? Ben was saying do gigs. Birthday parties, adult shows, whatever comes up. While that DOES get me people experience, it doesn't get me restaurant experience. So what do I do there? When I first started out with restaurant magic, my plan was to get some solid routines, which I did, and go to a local restaurant for little pay, so I could get my practice in, get experience with people, and a restaurant enviroment, with nothing to loose. I beleive what most people worry about when an inexperienced performer goes to work in a restaurant, is they don't want the managers to get ripped off. They are paying big money, for someone who isn't worth it. that's what I think anyway, I don't know why else you guys would be worrying about anyways, tell me if I am wrong. But, if I took the money aspect out of it, the restaurant has nothing to loose, unless I traumatize someone or something, and I have very little to loose. We both have a lot to gain though. The only thing I could really loose, is my confidence. I could realize that it is not working out, and I am doing a bad job, which in that case, I would stop doing it. And if things were going good, I could move my way on up. For money, in bigger restaurants. Anyway, that WAS my plan way back when. But, do you think it would work? Should I do that NOW? Slowly work my way up? Ofcourse, money would not be a factor. So, I don't really see much to loose. Especially when I have the PERFECT restaurant that already wants me. But, I want to hear from you guys first. Especially Ben, since you know me best. Is it worth a try? yes? No? It's just I don't really see how doing birthdays, and other things like that are going to get me ready for a restaurant. Yes, I can see how they will get me "people performances" which will help with a restaurant, but its just not really a restaurant enviroment. that's why I am putting up the option of starting off at a restaurant where neither of us have anything to loose, and I can not only gain lots of people experience, but restaurant experience too. So, what do you think? Just a wild thought that I had a long time ago, and it's coming back now. If I shouldnt start at the top, maybe starting somewhere where both the GM, restaurant, and me have nothing to loose, would be a good bet. But, that's just my thinking. As the GM already somewhat personally knows me, and already wants me, and has a personal love for magic as well, we thopught that that would be a good place to start. And depending how that worked out, work some more, or move on up. So tell me what you think I should do. Thanks, -Cory. |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
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On 2006-07-13 17:37, Dannydoyle wrote: Yes, I know nobody said that. I was just saying it as a joke. As much as hard work and dedication takes, well, hard work and dedication, I have come this far haven't I? 6 years of this, I don't think I'm gonna quit yet. I know it takes hard work, and it has been, but I'll keep doing this hard work, and hopefully, someday, years from now, in a galexy far far away, it will be worth all the work I have spent what feels like most of my life working on. As a matter of fact, it has actually been about half of my life to be exact. But anyway, I sure hope it pays off eventually. |
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