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Is "Slashed" essentially a cut and restored routine only or does it have some other effects in the routine (ie like Daryl's Rope Routine-ends off, endless rope, professors nightmare) to give it some "depth"? I currently do Daryl's routine which plays GREAT; the "finger-cutting" bit is an effect to a layperson; again, great reactions. To me, a C&R routine is a bit bland by itself; why do it 3 times?. An example would be all the 3 fly routines-why do it 3 times other than you have 3 coins? One has to have some charisma to carry off coins across 3 times and cutting/restoring a rope 3 times.
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You make an interesting argument. A coins across could be just that one coin across. I suspect that it would be anticlimactic and not very entertaining. There are, maybe a dozen or so coin routines of coins gathering all at once. It is usually performed with the hands closed. The repeat functions to make it appear more difficult and so that the spectators can have a second chance of seeing what is going on.

Three coins going across from the fingertips of one hand to the fingertips of the another hand can be interesting and entertaining to a spectator. They really get focused by the second coin and try to burn you on the third.

I do a cut and restored that has the rope cut once by a spectator and then is restored instantly right in front of their eyes. The rope is immediately tossed out for examination. This version was in a Cub Scout magic book in the 1950’s (and was a feature of Danny Korem and later Steve Bidwell).

Scott’s version under discussion here has three cuts and three restorations each seemingly more impossible. You could do it once (but then get the Pat Page version I mentioned above and have discussed elsewhere).

You could use the props for any number of other routines and moves. Much of Tabary’s routine could be included; much of Daryl’s or Flip’s work could be used too. In fact Scott mentions that this could be part of a longer routine.

My thought is find what works for you (clearly not repeat, multiphase routines) and go with it. Lucky for magic, magicians, and (probably more important) the audience not every trick or routine fits every performer.
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Harry,
Thanks for the great review and the additional input.

I actually do a fingertip coins across routine if the audience is small enough. I think it is great "eye candy" but lacks meaning (a "hook") for the spectator any more than a single coin flurry routine (ie the coins, or one coin are/is travelling from hand to hand). Coins across to a spectators hands in close-up situations seems to get a much stronger reaction, even though it is not as visually stunning, because they are more intimately involved. Amazingly, during my last show, I did a three coin production, fingertips coins across and complete vanish, and the best response during the whole routine was the muscle-pass, coin "falling up" before the final coin vanish.
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On 2007-03-22 17:10, Zack wrote:
$200 for a rope routine. No Demo.


A routines like this costs the way it does because supposedly it has a fantastic presentation. A demo makes no sense.

If you make a demo, you're basically giving that part away. Then it makes no sense to charge $200. Then you'd be down to spending $200 on a gimmick.


As a cost analysis exercise:

I just bought 300 feet of great rope for my stand-up scissor-cut routine.
I use about $1 worth of rope per show. Scott's rope would start to pay for itself after the 60th show. Asumming it were still usable and not too dirty, etc.
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Harry: On your suggestion I got Pat Page's rope and it is PERFECT for a routine I plan on using. I say, "With travel restrictions today, you can't carry scissors or knives on planes, I've increased my arm strength and can BREAK THE ROPE... like this..." I then use the Slydini-taught knot psychology and grip and grunt breaking the rope in two.
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Pete, Great idea!! I was playing with it in the privacy of my living room and it works!!! Nice line to go with a bit of acting! Page built a sweet little trick, yes?
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I can't believe it was around so long and I didn't know about it. With the you know what it is a cinch to flip a knot in the rope (which I have done for half a century!!!) and then a shoelace knot gag and into Pat's FANTASTIC effect.
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Had lunch with Paul Gross of Hocus-Pocus today (thanks Paul) and he delivered a "Slashed" to a client, and I had the opportunity to look it over.

All I can say is that in my many years of magic I have NEVER seen a rope prop so well made and a routine that looks super commercial for the serious worker.

If I was still trouping with a heavy show schedule this is the one I'd use for sure. And even if only doing the occasional show you won't be disappointed.
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Just wanted to let everybody know that Slashed is back in stock again. Thanks for the kind words Pete.
Part of the reason we're always out of stock is due to the intense time consuming processes to make the rope.
As Pete says "I've never seen a rope prop so well made."

As far as demos go Frank hit the nail on the head. Too many magicians would simply watch the demo over and over until they've worked it all out and memorized the presentation. Any complete product that contains props, music, patter that's been fine tuned during many show contains value on many levels. All of our Pro Line products don't have demos. Ultimate 3 Fly, The Final Answer, Human Phone Number, The Fitch Kohler Professional Holdout system and more have never had video demos. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of professional performers using our releases.

Up to this point these performers have trusted us and the quality of our releases. Obviously not every trick or presentation will fit all performers. The tough part for all magic manufacturers is taking the enormous amount of time and money to put a professional level product together.

Putting a demo up for anyone to watch over and over including the public will probably never happen from me. I'm working on a new website with incredible video capabilities. I'd like to get everyone's opinion about offering demo viewing capabilities for a fee which would be credited towards a purchase.

The fees would be set high enough to keep the curious from watching but affordable enough for serious magicians. More than likely the demo could only be viewed one time. I'm not sure I will do it this way but it is a possibility.

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So people would pay to see your commercial. Brilliant stuff.
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On 2007-05-13 17:52, shaunproof wrote:
So people would pay to see your commercial. Brilliant stuff.


That's funny!

But an interesting idea, nevertheless. There is so much greed and the need to feed one's ego that I can picture someone paying for the demo, and literally videoing the demo on a camcorder, and uploading the demo after, of course, first emailing it to all the friends they cannot impress in any other way.
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I'm an owner of Slashed. Here is my assesment. I have been working on various rope routines for a lot of years. I found the Tabary routine to be very close to what I had in mind. There were many aspects of the routine I didn't like.
Slashed is a very good routine that takes many of the Tabary type elements and cleans up some of the more awkward areas of the routine.
I was skeptical about slashed when I first read about it. A rope trick for $200 seems excessive. I made the purchase, and it is something I will use.
Here is my suggestions for this. I'm no expert on production cost of an item like this but $200 is a bit too high.
The instructional DVD is far better than some of the DVDs I own so the value here is good.
The routine is simple, clean, and workable. The magic is a good value.
My biggest gripe is the rope. I know there are a lot of posts here commenting on the quality of the rope but I can't agree.
The material is top notch but the gimmick on the one I have is too visible with very defined edges. I don't want to give away the secret here so I'll describe nothing more.
The main element of this effect is the realism generated by the gimmick to give the routine the WOW factor.
I can only use the routine from a distance and a lot of cover up motion.
All said I'm happy with the purchase since it is something I will use, but I would suggest rethinking the price a little.
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Here is the rationale...I just paid $4000 dollars for a Zaney Blaney hoop to pass over a girl for 6 seconds during a lev. routine. Do I think it is worth it......every penny!

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Scott, don't get me wrong I'm a fan. I admire your creativity and the products you deliver to the magic community. I'm not trying to offend you.
I just wanted to be honest about the apparatus that came in my box and made the call based on what came in the box I received.
I'm totally happy with the routine and I will use it, I would also recommend it to others.
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Handle it as per the instrucions and I am sure you will have a solid routine.

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On 2007-02-11 10:56, Harry Murphy wrote:
Scott Alexander and Bob Kohler have hit a home run with the “Slashed” prop and routine.

Let me say that I have been doing some version of “Cut and Restored” rope for over 40 years. Like almost everyone I started using Edward Victor’s nice move. However, I quit consuming rope after George Sands taught me his version (“Rope-Sational” not “Sandsational") in 1963 (booklet was published in 62). I’ve used the Sand’s routine for a long rope routine pretty much since. The only time I do a version that actually consumes rope is when I am doing a show where I want to do the cut and restored melded to the “Professor’s Nightmare” (Slydini).

It was Sands that invented the finger as scissors cut that both Alexander and Kohler (amongst others, including me) see as a weakness in the routine. I’ve never used the ploy believing that it really tipped the method off to the audience. I’ve always used a pair of scissors or a knife.

In 1976, Pat Page convinced me to shorten my rope sequence and showed me his simplified version of George Sands’ work “Eternal Rope”. I’ve used it as a staple since. Think George Sands with 2/3 of the routine tossed out!

I’ve watched and played with Tabary’s routine but have never performed it anywhere. Frankly, for all it’s artistry I prefer the Sands routine.

OK, why do I mention any of this. Well, folks, Alexander has taken from everyone that I have mentioned , giving full credit to all by the way (except Page), and added some of his own moves and handling to make a very logical, very magical, and very fun/funny routine. There are parts that will even fool (if not fool at least please!) knowledgeable rope performers. I watched the DVD before looking at the props (a habit of mine). I was pleasantly pleased with the whole routine and sucked in with a “WOW” at two points. One was a very clean display (made me sit up and pay close attention) and the other was when he tossed the rope out to the audience (made me stand up saying “no way“)! What stones!!

Let me say that last part again. There is a point in Scott’s performance where he has audience member’s tug on the rope. Remember it is a gimmicked rope!

The props: As has been mentioned on this thread, the rope is ½ inch in diameter by about 8 feet 5 inches long. It is a woven cotton rope (where in the world did you find that?). The gimmicks are well set and concealed (and marked for ease of use). The rope comes with removable colored bands in place as a teaching aid. Following the advice for the cleaning/care of the rope one would expect that it should last for a long time.

The cutter is a Stanly “Box Cutter” whose blade has been “fixed” (can’t say gimmicked or Feked”) to render it somewhat harmless.

Honestly, the gimmicked rope already exists on the market. In fact, I already have a rope gimmicked in exactly the same manner (actually I have five of them since I use it almost daily). However, comparing the two is like comparing a Yugo to a Rolls Royce! There simply is no comparison. I will be ordering a second “Slashed” as a backup since it will replace what I am now doing. I tend to worry that an item that I use constantly will leave the market and never be found again (it has happened more than once!). So I will get at least a second item for the shelf for the time that the one I am using becomes worn out, broken, or even comes up missing (and that time will come).

The DVD: You have two performances, one live comedy performance and one studio performance done silent to music to give you the breath of possibilities for this routine. You also are provided with the music to use (free to use) if you want to perform to music. That was a nice touch.

The instruction part of the disk is clear, easily assessable, and complete. As I mentioned above the rope comes set up with color coded bands for ease of learning. Scott has the same color coded bands on his rope making learning the routine truly easy. Many of you already know some of these moves and will only be learning a new sequence of moves and a couple of nice new moves developed by Scott.

The instructional DVD is what one has come to expect from Kohler productions, clear with well lit and well staged shots, using close-ups where necessary to help make things even clearer. In all it is a top notch production - well done.

Misc: You also get a 5 page, single sided, manuscript that provides some of the history of the evolution of the trick and props, discussing the care and cleaning of the rope. It also discusses the care, maintenance, and proper use of the box cutter (including a note of warning on air travel with the cutter). Tells you how you might replace the rope. And finally tells you how to access the royalty free music and gives you license to use it anywhere (even on broadcast TV).

I believe that anyone that has used Sands, Daryl’s, or Tabary’s rope routine will learn this routine easily and quickly. A newcomer to rope magic will find it easy to learn the routine from the DVD and with only a little practice be out performing this in short order.

I believe a person wanting to add a strong rope sequence to his/her act need look no further, this is it.


Having read all your posts on this

Thanks Harry-honest review-appreciated

Will definetly look at buying this from Scott!

How would this routine play to music!!-anyone tried this in front of an audience!!!

Thanks again

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Sorry I didn't see this earlier.

I do the routine to music. In fact it comes with my royalty free music you can copy on the DVD. I perform it move for move on the DVD with the music... and also do the stand up comedy version. I wanted to provide some options to those who make the investment.

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On 2007-05-26 23:44, 61magic wrote:
I'm an owner of Slashed. Here is my assesment. I have been working on various rope routines for a lot of years. I found the Tabary routine to be very close to what I had in mind. There were many aspects of the routine I didn't like.
Slashed is a very good routine that takes many of the Tabary type elements and cleans up some of the more awkward areas of the routine.
I was skeptical about slashed when I first read about it. A rope trick for $200 seems excessive. I made the purchase, and it is something I will use.
Here is my suggestions for this. I'm no expert on production cost of an item like this but $200 is a bit too high.
The instructional DVD is far better than some of the DVDs I own so the value here is good.
The routine is simple, clean, and workable. The magic is a good value.
My biggest gripe is the rope. I know there are a lot of posts here commenting on the quality of the rope but I can't agree.
The material is top notch but the gimmick on the one I have is too visible with very defined edges. I don't want to give away the secret here so I'll describe nothing more.
The main element of this effect is the realism generated by the gimmick to give the routine the WOW factor.
I can only use the routine from a distance and a lot of cover up motion.
All said I'm happy with the purchase since it is something I will use, but I would suggest rethinking the price a little.


Thank you for your honest review! I'd love to hear from other working pros that have gotten this. I got a similar review to this one from a local guy who made the purchase.
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Seems to me that if the routine is 2/3 Tabary and Sands, that 1/3 additional material might be pricey. The only good thing, that if the buying public will buy this, then I am raising my prices.
I would like to hear from others who have gotten this as well, I could use the mailing list for Rolls Royce buyers.
What most guys don't realize is that this is being sold in shops, so after the mark-up, Scott only gets half. And if he is jobbing the item, even less.
I am disheartened to hear that the one buyer has a problem showing this close-up and has to do cover moves. Strikes me, that for $200, the rope should be perfect and come with a warranty.
I know, I have replaced rope if there was a weave out of place. So, Scott, did you replicate or duplicate the DVD?
Plus, why not have a demo on youtube or someplace?
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Actually, this is a stage or platform trick and not meant for up-close work. Also, Denny was one of the people who saw this and encouraged me to put it out. I showed it to him in the Vegas shop and he loved it.

As far as a youtube demo goes, I left all that up to Bob Kohler. He makes that call and his feelings on that are pretty well documented elsewhere on the Café. I don't want to speak out of turn.
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