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Neil_Brown Regular user England 150 Posts 
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The street monte is an orchestrated con designed to rip you off, and definitely not a game of chance. I posted the English definition of "game of chance" in the post above yours- the three-card monte would fall under it, I believe? (my emphasis added below:) Quote:
"game of chance being defined as "(i) a game that involves both an element of chance and an element of skill, (ii) a game that involves an element of chance that can be eliminated by superlative skill, and (iii) a game that is presented as involving an element of chance, but (b) does not include a sport." |
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts
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To see a recreation of a well-trained monte mob in action, check out the Tetleys section from the School for Scoundrels Video on Three-Card Monte:
scoundrelsphotos.com - Tetleys video |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts
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That video made my day Whit, thanks for the link!
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sportshooter Regular user Atlanta, GA USA 161 Posts
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Thanks Whit! I've been thinking really hard about purchasing your DVD and this clip has made up my mind.
SS
"Don't trouble 'bout no two hen's, Boss. Get yo' own hen'. De suckah, he'll get a han' all right, suah!"
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silverhawkins New user Wales, UK 43 Posts
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Sweet! That's an awesome clip! Thanks guys. I'll take on board all you're saying.
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts
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To be fair, whether they were tossing the broads or not, I'd turn and run from that bunch of rouges on the video clip.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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silverhawkins New user Wales, UK 43 Posts
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Lol!
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The Great Dave Regular user My Wife said "It's Me or that Stupid Magic Website!" this many times: 200 Posts
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Vandy, I'm with you. Nobody wants to be around a bunch of guys that are tossing broads. It must be tough on those gals ...
Best Wishes, Dave Oh, and Gentlemen keep an eye on the Red Queen ...
Academy of Magical Arts
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat! Whoops, wrong hat ... |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5195 Posts
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There's a reason they knock it down when the cops are coming . . .
Where do they learn it? Prison is one popular venue . . . Jack Shalom
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
All proceeds to Open Heart Magic charity. |
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mrmystic Regular user Chicago 200 Posts
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Great video Wit. Couldn't have explained it better with a 1000 page book. Gee those guys look familiar.
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Bursky New user West Hollywood, Ca. 78 Posts
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Everything in the street is illegal.
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silverhawkins New user Wales, UK 43 Posts
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Unless you gain a license I guess...although it might be hard to attain one for ripping off passers by...!
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Steve V Inner circle Northern California 1878 Posts
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I think you need a new name...rather than Silverhawkins may I suggest MarkieMarkens?
Steve V |
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silverhawkins New user Wales, UK 43 Posts
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Sorry...don't get it!! explain s'il vous plait...
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts
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MarkieMarkens as in Mark, Sucker, Patsy, Apple, Vic, Chump, or any other similar derogatory term.
In other words, if you think you can get a license to play an illegal con game, think again.
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts
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Yeah, you have to be ELECTED!
See, that was a joke aimed at politicians...........
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Neil_Brown Regular user England 150 Posts
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Unless you gain a license I guess...although it might be hard to attain one for ripping off passers by...! Indeed... your only real chance of performing this on the street would be as a performance, where you didn't take bets from members of the public. On the wording of the legislation in England and Wales, if you had stooges in the audience who placed the bets, which caused the tension and interest, then, that should be permissible, as the stooge is not "playing a game of chance for a prize" but, my gut feeling is that you are going to either get moved on or arrested anyway - the legal intricacies of a situation are not always discussed before action is taken... If however, you spoke to your local council, or whoever licenses the area in question, and discussed with them what you were going to do, they might well issue you with a licence which has the necessary wording printed on it (eg. "performance of magic, including a performance of the three card monte") - I'd stress the need to get the three card monte in the wording of the licence, depending on how your area does it (I believe Southampton CC, for example, used to print pretty much what we asked), so that you can show it to any interested policeman on the day. I was suprised just how helpful Southampton CC was in encouraging street performers, so we used to perform at various pitches around the city quite regularly. |
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts
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On 2006-06-26 04:24, Whit Haydn wrote: Very cool. Howdja get Jack Nicholson to play the Mark? |
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts
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Monty, shells, fast & lose, and many others cons, use the illusion, that you have a chance and better yet, an unfair advantage of winning, of beating the operator and the operator uses your deepest, darkest, selfish and greedy emotions, to divest you of all they can, justifying it because you fall pray to those very emotions and lower your self to the gutter. Now I must say; Don’t be a FOOL, you don’t have a chance, in you know where of wining anything. These are not games of chance!!!!!!
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts
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On 2006-06-26 04:09, Neil_Brown wrote: This is a great definition of a game of chance. However as there is NO CHANCE of you winning at three card monte even if you know where the lady is at all times! |
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