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ringmaster Inner circle Memphis, Down in Dixie 1974 Posts 
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Another point Silver,Walt Lees warns that monte and nut mobs sometime try to get magicians and svin
pitchers as tossers. Not becouse they respect your skill, but becouse the tosser is the one most likly to be busted, and it's better if he is someone expendable.
One of the last living 10-in-one performers. I wanted to be in show business the worst way, and that was it.
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts
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I dealt for a bit in the old Times Square, NYC in the late 70's- early 80's. I was the only white dealer I saw. There were others of course but not many...I heard of them but never met them. Even then the dealers and crews were mostly black with some hispanic.
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bobn3 Special user Wichita, KS 718 Posts
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On 2006-06-23 11:21, silverhawkins wrote: Posted: Jun 23, 2006 1:23pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But technically speaking its no more fixed than any casino or arcade game is it? Ultimately there still is a 1 in 3 chance if it comes down to guessing... It is illegal... The odds are rigged. And mentioning the other games is not really germane. You don't see slot machines and roulette being played out on the street? Bob Phillips |
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts
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The odds are that the dealer and his crew will win 100% of the time. This is not a game of chance, it is a short con...totally fixed.
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ursusminor Elite user Norway 443 Posts
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Please go back in this thread and read it carefully! There is NO chance of winning at Monte, NONE, ZERO... Not even if you by chance place your money on the right card... And this has nothing to do with odds. It's not the odds that are rigged. The whole "Game" is rigged. Bjørn
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them
pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." - Winston Churchill" |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts
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Bob, the Monte isn't a game. You'll never win no matter what card you happen to guess. The methods behind the con are multiple, but if you read back through a lot of threads here you'll start to see the picture. |
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts
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The first time I ever went to las vegas, I was crossing over one of the street bridges when I saw a (thou I didn't know the name at the time, this was probably 15 years ago) three card monte game. there appeared to be one guy envolved, and one obvious tourist was playing 50 bucks a hand!! I was walking with my father and made him stop and watch for a minute, it was fasinating to me that this was going on in the street and that this fool had lost about 150 bucks in 2 minutes. his wife keep complaing to leave and throwing her head back every time he lost. finally my father made us leave, he was laughing as we left.
ah, fond memories of street hustles. I remember it like yesterday...
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Dr. Eamon Inner circle ------------John Dream------------If you can Dream it, you can Do it! 1325 Posts
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As long as you do not play for real money it's no problem here in the Netherlands...
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balic2003 Regular user 118 Posts
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Thanks Mr Haydn for the link to the Tetleys video.
Very informative for everyone who believes that in worst case they have a 1 in 3 chance of guessing for the right card. |
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"Muggs" New user Bridgeport, CT 64 Posts
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That is a great clip Whit, thanks for posting it. Its good that it shows that with a street monte mob it is a con/fraud game with absolutely NO CHANCE of winning and also that an average monte mob is 7 or more all working in concert to rip off the marks. When a monte mob is arrested it not for gambling it is for larceny / fraud because it isn't gambling, you can't and won't win. It also should be added that if you show that you have a lot of cash on you, some of those "bystanders" may rob you a block or two down from the game.
Whit, That was also a nice touch at the end. It was GREAT to see Billy. |
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Carducci Special user Denver 543 Posts
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I was once naive enough to think that, with my knowledge of the throw, the Mexican turnover etc, that I could beat a monte gang. I am grateful that I got the advice I did before I ever had the opportunity to try.
The advice was this: "If you're lucky, you'll get a cigar in your ear; if you're unlucky, it'll be a knife." This was from an old timer who had been around the block a few times. Just because we know the moves and the scams, 1. Doesn't mean the monte gangs are anything like us and 2. doesn't mean we could win. If you point to the correct card (or matchbox, shell etc) the hustler could either switch them using sleight of hand or a shill could overbet you and take the winnings (this is called capping; the hustler will only take one bet; the largest). If you "grab" the correct card/box etc before and switches/capping can take place, you'll probably get hurt. Steer clear, they aren't magicians and they are not graceful losers. |
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JHNelson Regular user Portland, Oregon 120 Posts
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Its this simple: No one beats the Monte. No one.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2736 Posts
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On 2008-04-03 17:18, JHNelson wrote: The Monte can be beatin but it is not a wise idea to even try as stated above in another post you could get hurt by someone on the side of the operator of the monte game. It's best to not even try to hustle a hustler. As the saying goes "If you play with fire your going to get burned" |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts
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Can be beaten? How? Surely not by going head to head with the operator(and the rest of the mob)?
No trees were killed in the making of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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Police Magician Special user Georgia 648 Posts
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The only way to beat the monte mob is not to be involved with them in the first place. Glenn
Glenn Hester
P.O. Box 3095 Brunswick, Ga. 31521 912-571-8071 www.policemagic.com https://www.facebook.com/PoliceMagic https://www.facebook.com/groups/235078277679470/ |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts
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Tell us all (in detail) how you think it can be beaten...................we're waiting. |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2736 Posts
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I wasn't really thinking when I made that post yesterday and was in a hurry so it came out the way it did.
What I should have said was this. I had read (I don't remember where at the moment) that Jamy Ian Swiss had taken a monte operator for I think $20.00 he said he would not reccomend anyone else trying that. Now I don't know if that is some made up story or if he did do such a thing. Anyway that is what I was meaning even though it did not come out that way at all. Sorry. I now remember where I had read what J.Swiss had said it was on the commnets on the back of the School For Scoundrel's book on the three card monte. May have been inside the book haven't looked at mine in quite awhile but that is as I said where I had read that about Jamy. Randy |
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JHNelson Regular user Portland, Oregon 120 Posts
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I have never heard of monte being beaten. In his book "Gambling Scams" Darwin Ortiz relates a storey where he could follow an inept broad tosser on the streets on New York. He made a side bet with his friend that, although he could pick the money card, he would not be paid. Bet's get bumped or the tosser will raise the minimum. Needless to say, nobody wins.
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gmonty3 New user Virginia 9 Posts
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A friend of mine who owns several hanky panks was working his balloon dart at a winter indoor spot in Salem, VA. I had my scale joint set up there and we were cutting up some jackpots. My friend who lives in Eden, NC told me he had recently attended a heavy equipment auction in Martinsville, VA and to his surprise saw 2-Aferican American broad tossers working the auction lot. He went on to tell me that he saw a mark loose $500. in a matter of seconds. Later my friend was waiting in line to use the doniker when he spotted one of the broad tossers. “You’re an ornery SOB”, he said to the tosser standing in line. “You know”, said the tosser? “You bet I do”, said my friend.
This just goes to show that at least some broad tossers aren’t as smart as they think they are. Can you imagine a guy being so stupid and thinking that he is the only one in the world that might know what he was doing? I guess one doesn’t have to be very smart to toss broads, just have big balls! |
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JHNelson Regular user Portland, Oregon 120 Posts
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That's very true. I had been taken in a monte game about ten years ago. Knowing what I know now, this guy was strictly amateur. He was very flashy, doing convincer moves and openly changing cards. The best broad tossers leave the mark thinking they made a mistake. This guy had a big sign on his neck saying he was hustling people. But he did have 2 big friends watching him, so I didn't complain. It was only fifteen bucks I lost so I was lucky.
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