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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
This technique facinates me. Been reading about it in 13 Steps and would like to start a thread. Seems to have endless possibilities in the impromptu miracle class.
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Perhaps the best book on this is Making Contact by Satori, published by H & R Books. I think anyone who can put in the time to learn this will be well rewarded, I wish I could.
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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
The potential does seem to be great. I'll look into the Satori book. I already have several ideas for applications of this technique.
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laidback New user NJ 51 Posts |
I was also impressed with the Satori book. I haven't really been able to practice this stuff -- seems like you need a whole lot of patient people to help you practice.
There's some info about this in one of the books on the Learned Pig site, but I don't remeber the name. Maybe someone here can fill in the name. It's worth a read, but not as complete, up-to-date, or laid out as well as the Satori book. -Steve |
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Drewmcadam Inner circle Scotland 1239 Posts |
It’s not really necessary to start at the top, of course. Finding your fee that is hidden somewhere in a theatre is pretty impressive stuff, but needs a bit of practice before it’s attempted!
There are simple muscle reading effects that work and work well. In the mid-Eighties I used to use five playing cards, get the Spec to select one, and concentrate on it, then I would use muscle reading to determine which one was on their mind. However, there is an even simpler way. An effect called “The Finger Knows” uses a physiological principle and a simple touch of the Spec’s outstretched fingers to tell which number between one and five they are thinking of. If you can’t work out the principle from the information I have given here (shame on you, by the way!) I’m sure that I saw the method somewhere at http://www.magic.about.com though you may have to search for it. |
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Andrewdavidson12 Loyal user England 232 Posts |
Would anyone recommend the Nelson "Hellstromism" book?
Andrew |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
The Satori book is far superior to the Nelson book which was written decades ago. Satori wrote his a couple of years ago. The forward to the book is by Max Maven.
Paul. |
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Yaniv Deautsch Special user Israel 529 Posts |
Something to think about:
"Khaldah was a portraitist.The subject would concentrate on some well-known personage,and then,while he held one of Khaldah's wrist,the other hand would do a char-coal sketch of the celebrity,exactly as pictured in the mind of the subject." I took it the from a great book by T.A Waters called Psychologistics. Ynaiv Deautsch |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Muscle-reading is one of those skills that you actually have to attempt in real performance conditions in order to get better at it.
A great way to practice muscle-reading in a show is to have the 'test' written down pre-show on a clipboard. That way you can 'fall back' on one method while you get the feeling for the other.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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MatthewBlackwell Regular user England 140 Posts |
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On 2002-01-19 10:53, Paul Hallas wrote: This is interesting because in Dariel Fitzkee's book, ‘Contact Mind Reading – Expanded’ he almost seems to give the impression that he wants you to go out and try it right away. It seems that it’s something that you can only learn by doing it – there’s certainly nothing you can practice alone. The only way you’ll learn it is by doing it. Unfortunately I can’t see any place for it in what I do at the moment… As a by-the-by, at the time I purchased the Fitzkee pamphlet I also obtained the booklet by Dr. Edward R. Sachtz, ‘Practical Contact Mind Reading’. I have to say that I would not recommend the latter at all: a skimpy discussion on technique and numerous very weak ‘tricks’. Both are available from http://www.magicbooksbypost.org.uk in the UK Cheers, Matthew Blackwell |
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E-Leoni Veteran user USA 358 Posts |
Matthew,
I just recieved my copy of Dariel Fitzkee's book, ‘Contact Mind Reading yesterday, along with Rothchild's (sp?) book "Psycho something" I'm having a terrible time with remembering names of books and authors, lately, not to mention my spelling. Is the book good in your opinion. I know I will soon find out , but I'd thought I'd ask and get your impression of it. E-Leoni. |
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MatthewBlackwell Regular user England 140 Posts |
Contact Mind Reading – Expanded by Dariel Fitzkee
It’s fair to say that if subsequent to reading a review of something, I find that the reviewer hasn’t actually tried the stuff yet, I tend to discount almost everything that’s been said. I expect to be treated no differently. (Apologies BTW, for that particularly nasty first sentence). That said, I do think that Fitzkee provides a set of very clear real-world instructions on how to work this particular branch of our art. He details exactly what is and isn’t to be done, and how it is or isn’t to be done in an explicit and concise manner. You can tell he’s been there and done it, and more importantly, he can also impart this knowledge readily to the reader on pretty much a first reading (though you’ll probably want more than just the one to reassure yourself that you didn’t miss anything). He even briefly mentions mind-reading via a third party, via inanimate objects and via nothing at all (!) - non-contact-mindreading (now there’s a scary prospect). The book is an excellent guide in my entirely non-expert opinion as one who has never had the opportunity/desire (at the same time) to yet try it. If I did so, this book would give me the confidence to do so. It’s seems it’s much like a thumb tip. You don’t think you’ll get away with it – but you might just amaze yourself. Cheers, Matthew Blackwell PS: I'd be interested to hear if you agree E-Leoni, once you've read it... (and maybe once you've tried it (?)) |
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E-Leoni Veteran user USA 358 Posts |
Matthew,
Thank you very much for your insightful reply. I will let you know what I think of the book. The only material I had on contact muscle reading was the works of Hellstorism (sp?). I did some of it in my early years of mentalism. I remember when I was in japan, I made friends with Marko Tendo. I did a deviation with cards using muscle reading, I had him hold my wrist while I went over all the cards. He could not believe what I just did. He asked how in the h**l did you do that. I told him. I think he is now heavy into mentalism. I'm not sure. I wish I knew how to get in contact with the guy. Hey I just realized something. This makes my 50th post. WoooHoooo ! I'm in baby. Sorry.,,,I've just been waiting for a while now. Again thank you, and I will let you know what I think of the book. E-Leoni |
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Ray Eldard New user Phoenix, AZ 90 Posts |
In a recent email Banachek told me the next book he is releasing is on muscle reading, so that's definitely worth watching for. Until then the Satori book remains my favorite on the subject.
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Julien Regular user 108 Posts |
As a matter of fact, from what I've heard, Fitzkee was more in theory than in practice. He was not a "real-world performer" as his books might lead you to think.
Aside from that, his books are indeed very interesting. Has anyone tried to do muscle reading for drawing replication as described by Yaniv? |
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Hal Weaver New user 56 Posts |
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On 2002-03-22 12:06, Yaniv Deautsch wrote: Frankly, I would take this with a grain of salt. It is one thing for someone think of a letter, for example, and have you draw it on a black board. Or to discover some relatively large actions, such as putting on a coat, or moving something from one place to another. But to to draw a portrait means you are reading very fine "impluses" of someone who is also a good artist. That is, the transmitter must be able to draw the portrait without the reader. I suspect it's a bit like Houdini's famous escape from death under the Detroit River -- Hype. The effect may have been seen, but it is unlikely it was produced by contact mindreading. BTW: in an early issue of MAGICK, I wrote a two part bonus section on an easy way to begin to learn contact mindreading. Hal |
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harry54 New user 6 Posts |
So basically what I'm getting from this is that the Satori book is the best n muscle reading? does any one know where I can purchase it online?
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
I bought mine (had it on preorder before it came out) from Hank Lee. Email him and see if it is in stock.
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coupcoupdaddy Inner circle 2466 Posts |
I got mine from H&R who were promoting it at the time.
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts |
Banachek's DVD Psi Series, Volume 3 teaches it. It is titled, "Psychophysiological Thought Reading".
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