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Ireland Loyal user Regina, Sask. Canada 217 Posts |
Hell Magic3,
I trust you do have 8 tricks you do well along with some commentary (preferably amusing) that you have practiced and ready to go. We all started at the beginning and I don't think there's one of us....even the greats and the frequent Café posters who would like to have their first gig videod and placed on the web for all to see. Table hopping is a specialty and it's basically having a pleasant personality, being brief (in my opinion two tricks are good-- you can always return with two more later on), being respectful, engaging the table by asking, using and remembering their names and always approaching them with the attitude of 'there you are', not 'here I am'. You will learn what you need to improve after this first gig is over. Just go do it. No matter how much you practice you'll know how to do it even better next time. Oh, one more thing. Don't ask them if they are still discriminating against Catholics, the Irish and other minorities.Cheers. |
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karbonkid Special user 951 Posts |
Pricholas,
That was really funny. I loved it. |
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
I hate to say it, but this does seem to be an instance of someone taking a gig that they are NOT ready for. I've posted a number of standard questions that table magicians should be able to answer before they step out to approach a table and I am wondering if our querant can answer them.
When, during the evening,will you be doing your magic? During the meal? Before? After? During dessert? How will you make the initial approach to each table? If people are still eating, can your material be performed without using ANY table space? If not, how are you going to deal with that? How are you going to make your presence known to the assemblage-at-large? Are you going to have the Master of the Lodge announce you? If so, will he write your introduction? How will you place yourself at each table? Will you be using a close-up pad? If so, how will you be handling clearing the space on the table for it? If there is a centerpiece on the table, how will you insure that everyone AT the table will be able to SEE your performance? How will you take your leave from each table? If you have trouble with ANY of these questions, you are probably NOT ready to do this gig. Respectfully, Lee Darrow, C.H.
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mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
What happened to drunk women come-on questions Lee? xD
I think those question should be posted as Sticky in this forum or something so that people can all take a look at performing situations that are possible. |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Good advise Kent...
I'm thinking Master Payne's "DaVinci Code Card Trick" from MUM magazine a few months back, would play well. |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I Just finished that book (yes, I know I was a few years late), but I honestly liked the first book much better (Angles and Demons).
..and now back to your regularly scheduled program.
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solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
Lee Darrow, I like your advise...and I'll remember these points.
I'm no-pro per se, but I am very interested in the answers to the hosts questions. Especially to the ones that Danny Doyle posted...which I am very interested in the answers? Quote:
On 2006-06-28 13:00, Dannydoyle wrote: But what is he supposed to do? For free? I can see your point here, but we don't know where this guy is at in magic. Maybe we're making assumptions based on his question...but what is he or anyone supposed to do? Quote:
I have said many times that some of this stuff is like a "self-authorising language". This is very interesting, but how do you get that good if you have people saying, "don't' do it". This applies to my first question, what is he supposed to do? Are saying that doing it for free will get him to this point? Quote:
My advice is that yeah, everyone has to have a first show. It will not be as good as one 20 years from then. BUT have a show!!!!! I'm guessing that your assuming that the 8 tricks are not backed by any sort of routine or patter? That the magician in question is going to just blindly perform 2 tricks per table at random...and that is it? I don't think our magician in question here is that ameturish...is he? So say I have 8 tricks chained into a 4 routines...is that good enought for 40 tables? I honestly been hearing that you need at least 3 tricks to make a routine...but what makes the show? Quote:
My doctor actually went to medical school BEFORE he took me on as a patient. If we are professionals, don't our clients deserve the same consideration? I am really interested in knowing how one would go about this, can you explain? I hope I'm not being to forward or coming across fecitious, I actually want to know your points on this as I respect what you have posted here at the Café'.
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
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On 2006-06-30 19:20, Lee Darrow wrote: It's best to work when people are NOT eating. This means during cocktails or after dinner, generally. Try to get them to understand this as magic takes people paying attention and some participation and they can't to that when they are trying to cut refried Tribble and steel pork. Quote:
How will you make the initial approach to each table? Use the search function on this, there have been whole books written about approaching tables and it is a very complex topic. In a nutshell, do so politely and in a manner that says that you are a professional who has been HIRED to work the event. Quote:
If people are still eating, can your material be performed without using ANY table space? If not, how are you going to deal with that? Material selection is critical in strolling gigs. Tabletop stuff is well and fine IF you have table space to work with. If you don't, you are in deep trouble. Find out first! If not, prhaps a portable table is necessary (I don't advise that - change your material if you must, first, but it's your gig). Quote:
How are you going to make your presence known to the assemblage-at-large? Are you going to have the Master of the Lodge announce you? If so, will he write your introduction? NEVER let someone else write your introduction - or worse, let them try to "wing it." That is a sure bet for an introduction that will get your name mispronounced (or left out entirely), get what you do messed up and mumbled so no one will understand what is happening. Write it yourself, TYPE it, using a LARGE font (in case the Master forgot his reading glasses!) and bing a second copy, because he may lose it before you are to go on. Quote:
How will you place yourself at each table? Just make sure everyone at the table can see you. If not, be prepared to work the table twice, once for each side, so no one feels left out. Quote:
Will you be using a close-up pad? If so, how will you be handling clearing the space on the table for it? Only use one if you will NOT be working while they are eating or if you are working from your own table top. If you HAVE to move things on the table, ASK permision and let the guests move them if at all possible, and explain that you want the items moves "so everyone can see." This at least gives you an excuse or disrupting THEIR personal space. Quote:
If there is a centerpiece on the table, how will you insure that everyone AT the table will be able to SEE your performance? If necessary, work the table twice, once for each side. If the centerpiece is small enough, you could ask, politely, for someone to set it off to the side "so everyone can see what's going on..." Quote:
How will you take your leave from each table? Right after your killer finale effect, thank the people politely, remind them that you are a gift from the Lodge and, if they liked your performance, they are free to applaud, of course... These are the ways in which I usually handle these issues, your mileage may vary, obviously... Lee Darrow, C.H.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2006-07-17 01:22, solrak29 wrote: I am not sure where all your confussion comes from but here goes. My first point was if he didn't have a show to market, he has no business telling anyone he is a magician. PERIOD. A pro charges something. as for being told "don't do that" ever watch a horrible magician? Well my problem is that it kills us all just a little bit. How about more than 2 months of practice, a business card, an invisible deck and a TT and call yourself a magician?How about STUDY, LEARN PRACTICE? oh heaven forbid. I am saying if he only knows about 8 tricks and is HERE trying to figure them out right before the gig, it is wrong. How tough is this? As for my Doctor example how much do you want me to elaborate? Think of it this way instead maybe. Ever see a horrible magician? Yea one you were terribly disappointed in? One you just wish would leave the table or you hadn't paid to go see in the first place? Do you remember the horrible sense of disappointment that you experienced? How you wanted to be anywhere else? IF you put people through that, then indeed you have no business working. Your bad for magic (the greater "your" not you spacifically) and need to be stopped. Go back to the drawing board and start again, or take up stamp collecting as Eugene Burger said. The silly notion that "everyone who tries is ok" is just not right. There are people who belong nowhere near a microphone for any reason. There are people who should NOT be doing tricks for people. I know this is not a popular view, but at least it is honest. When you have to ask how to "routine" your act the day before you want to "do" your act, my contention is that ALONE shows you need some work.
Danny Doyle
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solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
Danny Doyle thank you for your directness and clarifying your points. They are well
taken, but with more questions. If you have the time...(feel free to PM me if you you want to take this offline.) Quote:
On 2006-07-17 10:08, Dannydoyle wrote: I see... Quote:
as for being told "don't do that" ever watch a horrible magician? Well my problem is that it kills us all just a little bit. How about more than 2 months of practice, a business card, an invisible deck and a TT and call yourself a magician?How about STUDY, LEARN PRACTICE? oh heaven forbid. I agree absolutely. I think this is where I am trying get at...when is the point where you can say, "ok I'm a magician?". From your perspective... Quote:
Your bad for magic (the greater "your" not you spacifically) and need to be stopped. Go back to the drawing board and start again, or take up stamp collecting as Eugene Burger said. I kinda believe your right in this context, but how would one know if they are cut out for this or not? Thank you for the clearification....
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