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Where is your web site on the cups and balls? The web site you have in your profile does not seem to be functional.
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My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

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I got it to work.
Not too bad. Watch out for the popups though.
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I think it's interesting to note that our earliest known cups and balls routine, from Hocus Pocus Jr., doesn't seem to be much more than a display of magical skill. Other than giving the balls names, which really bear no relation to anything that follows, and the inclusion of a bit of Latin and some "magic words," the magician is pretty much saying, "Look what happens here."

Unless one can uncover some hidden drama or motivation in "You see, Gentlemen, I cover them up" or "It's gone to my pocket," I think that by 1634, cups and balls was a bit of baffling entertainment.
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Not everything has to have a story.

Jules DeBarros, arguably one of the better coin men of the 1970's, used to justify the sponge balls by claiming that they were the stuffing from the seat of a WWII German fighter plane. By the time he got through with his justification, most of us would have finished the sponge ball routine.

The Hocus Pocus, Jr. routine has several things going for it, but a story or motivation is not one of them.
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There is much in Hocus Pocus, Jr. to interest one developing a historical presentation, which is what I'm doing. The general presentation, the language and manner of addressing the audience, and the routine itself are of great interest. And the fact that there was not a story is also making me rethink my "colonial period" Professor's Nightmare.

For those who still don't know it, Bill Palmer has a great transcription of the cups and balls section of Hocus Pocus, Jr., which is available through him. His website is in his signature.
"You know some of you are laughin', but there's people here tryin' to learn. . ." -Pop Haydn

"I know of no other art that proclaims itself 'easy to do.'" -Master Payne

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If you will combine the material in the routine with the section that follows it immediately, you will have the basic idea of doing a routine with final loads. Some of the moves in the routine are not exactly easy!
"The Swatter"

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My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

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I saw Steve Bender of Ickle Pickle lecture recently. I very much enjoyed his cups and balls routine, performed to a story told in rhyme. In fact, I bought his lecture notes primarily to have that routine, since I too am looking for a better motivation. With the story, it changed from "see what I can do" to meaningful, if mysterious, comings and goings. In any case, it worked for me when Steve performed it, and once I learn it I'll be able to find out if I can get it to work for my audience too.

This is the first topic I've seen where patter was presented by the posters for an effect. That was really helpful -- I'm still working on my patter skills. Thanks, all!

-Phil in KC
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If the routine was "Rub a Dub Dub," that's Jack Bateman's routine, and Phil Willmarth holds the rights to it.
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My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

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The cups and balls was one of the first tricks I ever learned thanks to the magic shop at disney world at the time as kid.

I use that as my story for performing it still to this day as well as going into a brief history that it is one of the oldest tricks in the world.

People seem to be receptive when you make it personal
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