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Flying Magus Loyal user 286 Posts |
I'm currently working on a manip act based around dice. I am thinking of including a billiard ball style section, but am having a little trouble. Because they aren't round, I can't use a s****. Well, not a traditional one anyway. My wife has designed one that may just work, but I'm wondering if anyone else has tried something like this before. Basically a multiplying billiard ball routine using cubes instead.
Magically yours,
Michel Fouché Believe in the Impossible |
Vibono Magic Special user Växjö,Sweden 647 Posts |
The dutch master Tony van Domelen used to to a rutine like this. I don't know if it is published anywere.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Great idea and the only way to really work on this is thriough the art of trial and error. Since you are creating unique and creative magic, you are going to have to resort to creative thinking and experimentation to see what works best for you.
You should be able to use a lot of your standard ball moves and may be able to create some new moves based upon the new shape. Kyle
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DerekMerdinyan Inner circle 1030 Posts |
You may be able to use a shell...
If you went a little unconventional - it would take a bit of extra practice, but it may be the easiest way to make it. Instead of hollowing out a vertically halved die (or making something that looked like one) Why not try a diagonally halved one, it would be easier to slip the dies in and out of. Take three 90 degree triangles with side lengths equal to that of the side length of one of the regular dies (maybe add on a millimeter or two...) Derek Merdinyan P.S. If it doesn't work, there are plenty of non-shell routines and moves |
magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
I think Derek is onto something here. If you use the diagonal approach, you could almost create a full set with hinges that would allow you to perform them almost like multiplying candles. Something to test and try out for sure.
Kyle
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
We have Billiard Ball routines without a S****. Perhaps you can adapt some of those techniques to large ungimmicked dice.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Absolutely could be done easily. In fact you coukld have fun doing a dice to jumbo dice or even a diminishing dice routine. Take a dize and use a silk. Take silk and rub over top of the dice and show the dize is now blank but the silk now has spots all over it. or do it in reverse by showing a large blank dice. Show a silkwith spots on it. Shake the silks as the spots go over the dice they see the dice now has spots on it. avariety ofideas can come to mind if you think creatively with this.
Kyle
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Wizzard Veteran user 322 Posts |
Flying Magus'
In Buckleys 'Principles and Deceptions'There is a whole chapter devoted to Billard Balls. Production of Eight Solid Balls at the Finger Tips Without a Shell on page 206 is very nice. This is excellent material. Good Luck! Regards
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Also, The Shimada lecture videos shows a bunch of great sinlg e ball moves with a silk that may also be able to be adpated for your dice idea.
Kyle
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
How about constructing one that can be compressed and spring out solidly. That way you can vary the color of each production - can be done as a bare hand production. Change one of them to a silk and possibly at least half a dozen or more can be popping out from it as a little finale.
Another idea - Rubbing a Jumbo ball with a silk/cloth and one side of the ball flattens out, rub another side and it flattens out too. Do that until you have the ball shaped into a dice. Produce a bunch of rounded confetti and let them fall onto the dice and the spots get stuck to it. Float the dice or color change it as additonal follow up routine. Hope this 'out of the box' idea helps. |
magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
James;
Wonderful sharing here my friend and excellent ideas indeed. You are really showing us exactly what I mean when I say "thinking outside of the box" or thinking "away from magic" by doing so, you open yourself up to so many more creative ideas that you may never have thought of before. Your ideas show creative thinking and wonderful ideas simply by saying. "hmm what if this happened or how about this." never hinder yourself by wondering how you will accomplish these ideas. To do so only hinders creativity. You will always find a way to make something work. Thanks for the share and great ideas. Kyle
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
Thanks, Kyle. Threads like this helps me exercise my creative juices. Just glad I can contribute.
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Flying Magus Loyal user 286 Posts |
Thanks, guys. Some ideas I had already come up with, others made me wish I had already come up with them. Thanks for the help brainstorming. I'll let you know how it develops. So far, I've been playing around with 2 s****s, and come up with some good stuff but I've got some other bits in there too.
Magically yours,
Michel Fouché Believe in the Impossible |
Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
I did a multiplying die (with color changes) routine years ago. What I did was purchase two die boxes and used what came with them. (I don't want to say any more in the open)
Some of the newer boxes use 1 1/2 or 2 inch dice. Tony |
Flying Magus Loyal user 286 Posts |
Tony,
I have been playing around with smaller, homemade versions of what you mentioned. My wife is wonderfully helpful when it comes to effect design too. I think she's pick up more than a little bit from hanging around the magic scene with me. Our challenge now is to come up with a large final production. Without going into too much detail I do have a prop (sitting on a table) from which I can produce the final item. The question is what? We have been thinking around the gambling theme, so a few jumbo dice, stacks of poker chips, that sort of thing. Any other ideas. I think just a massive die would be a little plain.
Magically yours,
Michel Fouché Believe in the Impossible |
magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
I think poker or gambling theme in general is a wonderful idea for an entire themed manipulative routine. There are so many elements involved that can directly carry over to magic. Gambling and poker is also so common and hot an item right now, it would fit right in. even if the fad ever dies down, the act can still play strong. In regards to ideas I can just give thoughts off the top of my head of things and see what develops.
Items for use: - cards - dice - poker chips - money - coins and bills etc. Ideas: - You could easily transition many a poker chip into a white roulette ball. You do and perform manipulative billiard ball sequence with it. At the end you magically produce an entire roulette wheel as a finale. - Or if done as an end to a sequence, the wheel can be produced first and then you magically look for the ball and find it ptoduced at the end of your fingertips. Every time you produce a ball, it goes in the roulette wheel and the wheel almost becomes storage device for the balls being produced. - You can easily do a misers dream with poker chips. maybe the poker chips get bigger so they in turn become giant poker chips. The final giant poker chip can be crumbled up in the hand and changed into a snowstorm effect at the end. - Perhaps the jumbo coin above vanishes and turns into bills as if you "cashed in" You could then do bill manipulations with the bills multiplying and being produced. At the end there could be a climatic sequence monent of a fan of bills in both hands and a shower of bills cascading upwards and over you shooting into the air. - Your table for the act could be a poker table or a typical table you see at the casino. OR (gutsy idea) you end the routine by producing a full poker table out of no where. - An idea for the dice that can coinside with it is using the hook or cane they always use to bring the dice back up to you in the game of craps. What if this is produced and you do a dancing cane segment with it. If done after the dice sequence it would make perfect and logical sense to the theme. - For a starter sequence.. you could open to hear noise of the casino and some guy saying, "place your bets place your bets folks". Your character looks around and in pockets and finds nothing. Then at the fingertips produces a poker chip. This can lead into a poker chip manipulative segment. - Or you could hear, "your roll sir" As soon as you hear it the hands are shown empty. You look away and a dice appears at the fingertips of one hand. You show and display it and then appear to do a split dice to produce two of them. You then gather them in the hand and pretend to shake them and roll them. The audiences hears the rolling sound as your hand opens the dice are gone. Again it is fitting the theme and idea being expressed and your actions are mimicking them giving reason for what you are doing. These idea are just stuff off the topof my head of what I can think of at the moment. they certainly need to be defined and thought out more, but the idea wasto try and free flow ideas and thoughts as they came to me to try and give you some ideas or food for thought. I hope the ideas expressed above may spark some ideas for you or may give others here ideas that they intrun might be able to help you with. If you like any of the ideas, by all means feel free to use them and experiment with them. My pleasure to always help a fellow magician. Just my 2 cents worth. Kyle
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