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sparks New user Charlottesville, Virginia 89 Posts |
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On 2006-07-03 17:07, CardShark2004 wrote: I came to the same conclusion a long time ago. Back in the late 1970’s when I was first discovering the joys of card handling I bought a lot of packet tricks. It did not take long for me to realize that it was the “counts” and “spreads” that powered (for the most part) the mechanical part of these effects (also lifts, glides, etc... at least the ones I bought). It was then that I realized if I learned a useful assortment of counts and spreads I could create and perform my own packet-like effects, with my own bicycles, and without gaffed cards (although there is nothing wrong with using them). I discovered it was a lot more fun to create rather than buy. I am sure there are many good books out there but I also recommend COUNTHESAURUS by Jon Racherbaumer (2004, subtitled "An Abecedarian Handbook of False Counts and Displays"). It’s a treasure-trove of moves that one can use to create some really nice effects... limited only by your imagination.
Sparks
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Joemv Loyal user 287 Posts |
An important part of the Elmsly Count is what ever hand you use to push the "card" into the hand should remain still and the other hand does all the work. Less movemnent much better looking count.
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The Hitchhiker Regular user England 150 Posts |
Dug out my old 'Bicycle made for five' packet out yesterday and found it almost impossible to elmsley them and hammond not much better, they have a plastic type finish and seem to stick alot, how can I improve this fanning powder is not working.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
I have found out that fanning powder does not make the cards slicker.
There was a post here a while back that suggested taking a silk and "polishing" the cards with it. I have not tried this so I don't know if it works. Give a shot and post here to let me know if it works.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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magic777 New user 87 Posts |
A good rhythm is esential to the count. But there are plenty of packet tricks that don't use it.
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Ben Stolz New user 17 Posts |
Elmsley Counts aren't the ONLY counts out there...
It is just a commonly used one. Ben |
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The Hitchhiker Regular user England 150 Posts |
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On 2007-05-07 19:19, edh wrote: Thanks for the idea, I actually used a tiny amount of furniture polish applied with a kitchen roll tissue and rubbed dry, it worked a treat! floored my lady with my old packet trick...LOL Jas. |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Furniture polish, got to try that one.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts |
Try some Simoniz car polish as suggested in the "Encyclopedia Of Card Tricks" by Jean Hugard to make slick cardz.
Cardamgically, <<<KRaZy4KaRdZ>>> DOM :)
We don't stop playing when we grow old...we grow old when we stop playing.
God is enough, let go, let God. Gal 2:20 "Anything of value is not easily attained and those things which are easily attained are not of lasting value." |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
False Counts are essential weapons in my arsenal. Master the most important ones and you can perform a number of amazing miracles.
I fully second the recommendation for Jerry Mentzer's excellent book "Counts Cuts Moves and Subtleties". A lot of magic for the buck.
Cards never lie
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airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
I have used a light spray of Pledge furniture polish and an old cotton t--shirt to re-slick some old sticky cards.
With this method, though, consider it a 'trick of last resort' and accept the fact that it may ruin your cards. There are no guarantees in life.
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
My Roll over count is a excellent subsitute for the Elmsley count ..and after the count there is no need to shift the cards ... if anyone has seen my "
adagio for dots" routine I demonstrate this count, or just pm me if interested and I will send a teaching demo . vinny |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Vinny's Roll Over Count is great. I have also been learning the Paradise Count by Gary Ouellet. It's very decieving and is done with a biddle type of handling. This also looks very natural as you are just peeling the cards of one by one. I would recommend looking into this.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
Thanks for the demo, Vinny. Excellent, well-thought-out stuff, as usual. And much easier than the Elmsley count. Just goes to show that there are still a few innovators out there in the world of magic.
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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closeupcardician Special user Justin Teeman Moore, OK 602 Posts |
Just keep a smooth rythym going and remember... The Slower the Better
"Magic as art cannot live without love. Love of some kind. There are novels without love, other arts without love. But there can be no magic without love." - Rodney Reyes
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Phil J. Elite user 467 Posts |
I first came across the Elmsley when I bought Rainbow Cascade from Davenports Magic Studio. Three weeks later and I still couldn't get the move. At my next visit Al Woodrow very kindly talked me through it and by the time I left the shop I was almost doing it blindfold.
You were born original... Don't die a copy
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John McLaughlin Veteran user Gloucester, Massachusetts 393 Posts |
Gary Oulette has an interesteing grip for his Elmsley. It can be found (along with some other great stuff) in his book "Close Up Illusions". I think it was the Paridise Count, or Paridise Elmsley.
...NSA John McLaughlin, not CIA John McLaughlin
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Tyler Regular user St. Louis 169 Posts |
Sorry Silverking, was reviewing MY old posts and realized that you had asked me if the Elmsley book mentioned who the magician was that suggested the fingertip grip. "It was Jack Avis, Mr. Elmsley believes, who first suggested this fingertip taking grip. Mr. Avis originally made the change in grips to adapt the Elmsley count to the use of jumbo cards..." - The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley Vol. 1 pg. 26
Better late than never! Btw, Vol 1 and 2 of this tome is fantastic! Mike |
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ppuna New user Thunder Bay Canada 19 Posts |
There's a nice handling of the Elmsley Count in "The Complete Works of Derek Dingle". I think it comes closest to the way people would naturally count cards from hand to hand. Also, in "Counts, Cuts....", check out the Veeser Count. This is essentially an Elmsley Count from the Biddle Grip position. Done with a smooth rhythm, this looks very natural and is very deceptive. And speaking of rhythm, I have found that practising these counts to the beat of a metronome really helps. With a light grip, following the beat produces a smooth and relaxed count (I learned this from Ross Bertram's first book and have used it ever since).
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