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On 2006-07-10 14:43, Lo-Key wrote:

Neo stop the bull c--- your team lost Italy is the worlds best. eat your heart out
Zidane should be bared from ever playing scoccer again he is a sore loser.
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My team is England, we couldn't even make it to the semis, let alone the final! Smile I couldn’t care less who won or lost yesterday's game... Zidane is now retired... Perhaps you can comment on Italian Daniele de Rossi's deliberate elbow to Brian McBride's face during the USA game in what some described as a "horror challenge" Smile
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Channel 4 (UK) just confirmed that Materazzi called Zidane's mother a wh***.

The thing is Zidane's mother has been ill for a while and was actually rushed to hospital the day before the final.

Materazzi has quite a shady past, so whether he knew or not I don't know.
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On 2006-07-10 14:57, mike stevenson wrote:
Channel 4 (UK) just confirmed that Materazzi called Zidane's mother a wh***.



To me, that is almost mild. Would he really react so strongly to something like that? I've had people say "your Mothers a w****e" to me a million times. It really dosen't bother me. Of course my mother does accept money in exchange for sexual favors, so to me it's not that big of a deal. JUST KIDDING! (Sorry Ma).

But seriously, that seems like a pretty strong reaction to a common playground insult.
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Fully agree with what you say. But I think it's more the situation of her being rushed to hospital within a day of having to go and play the final.

On another day, I'm guessing he would have laughed it off.
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Probably. You always take a risk when you mention someones Mama. I'm surprised he did what he did, at the time that he did it. I mean you have to be able to control your emotions when everything you have worked for is at stake. This was the 11th hour! Has Zidane made any comments? He must be feel sick about the whole thing.
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He hasn't made any public comments yet, but he has apologised to his team mates. He does tend to keep out of the media as much as possible, but I'm sure he will say something over the next few days due to the nature of the incident.

He must have felt sick yesterday, but no doubt he felt better when President Chirac applauded him for his services to football and France, and called him a genius of world football. And the thousands of people who filled the streets to cheer him when the team made their appearance earlier today. It's amazing how much they love the guy. Can't put a foot wrong (excuse the pun)
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On 2006-07-10 15:53, mike stevenson wrote:
Can't put a foot wrong (excuse the pun)


LOL guess not. I wouldn't be leading any lynch mobs. But I don't think I'd turn out to salute the guy either. Regardless of what was said, that head butt was a pretty cheap shot.
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Materazzi played for Everton in the English league during 1998-99... he was sent off three times in just that one season! There can't be many players who've managed that unenviable achievement.
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Neo your team my have been England but in a earlier thread you jumped on the French Band wagon.
Zidane getting all the press the french players should let this primadona play all by him self,seems none of his team mates get any press.
Zidane should be kicked out period and all honors that were given to him in this world cup be stripped...
You can make any excuse you want for him but he acted with violence, I do not care what uk papers said they are just ****ed because England got bounced.
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On 2006-07-10 16:42, Lo-Key wrote:

Neo your team my have been England but in a earlier thread you jumped on the French Band wagon.


And where exactly was that?
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Lo-key, at the risk of getting into a debate about this ... I'm not sure that Neo or anyone else is "making excuses" for Zidane. I think everyone here has condemned his actions. Some of us have posted what seemed to be explanations about what prompted Zidane's actions. I have done so myself, and have been critical about what seem to be the comments he reacted to. However none of us think his response was appropriate.

Rather, I, and I believe the others, are looking for an explanation, without looking for an excuse. We seek to know why he did it -- we're no looking for a justification.

I think it's undeniable that Materazzi said something horrible. And given Materazzi's history (which includes not just his muddled Premiership career, but, as you'll recall, includes other incidents of violence), it's hard to imagine that he's a complete innocent.

Materazzi did something bad. Zidane did something worse.

I think where the confusion is coming is that some are recognizing Zidane for being a great player. And he was. He was truly one of the great players of his generation. But recognizing that does not mean anyone supports his actions yesterday.

I do congratulate you, as a fan of Italy, on the victory. (As another English fan, it's not a feeling I get accustomed to!) But I think it's important to be clear about what arguments are being made. No one thinks Zidane was right to do what he did. The discussion has been about what wrong prompted Zidane to commit a greater wrong.
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Santa, If it turned out that Materazzi said something objectionable please note that Materazzi is not "a team", he's just "one" player. I can't accept a line as "resorting to ethnic slurs to goad etc" referred to a whole team; this sounds quite offensive.
I say that with no malice.
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Santa no doubt that Zidane is one of the greatest players, However for what he did as a professional he should be stripped of the title of the best player 2006 cup.
He showed he hand no class and he let his teammates down as well.
Pete Rose one of the greates hitters in baseball of all time if not the greatest waskept out of the Hall of fame for his actions.....
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HOW can you compare Pete Rose to Zidane?!? Zidane committed a single (albeit shameful) act in the passionate heat of a very important game with egos and emotions riding extremely high! Rose was warned repeatedly that he had a problem and neeeded help...and chose to ignore it. Zidane violated the ethics of good sportsmanship and accepted his punishment with dignity. Rose broke the LAW then lied and contested the accusations in the face of undeniable proof! Absolutely NO comparison.

Zidane's single act, offensive as it was, was not totally out of place considering the circumstances and should not, in my opinion, affect his place in football history. Stripped of his title....absolutely not.

As for the insults and accusations towards Italy...they won. They persevered and outplayed all of the other teams. By luck, skill, tactics or a combination...they won. My Italian Tricolore flies next to the Stars & Stripes on my front porch...with pride! All hail the World Cup champions and put away the sour grapes. If France had won (or Germany or England or Protugal or...) I would say the same. All this petty whining is rusting my keyboard!!

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On 2006-07-10 19:18, Skip Way wrote:
Zidane's single act, offensive as it was, was not totally out of place considering the circumstances and should not, in my opinion, affect his place in football history. Stripped of his title....absolutely not.



A voice of reason I hear well! Thank you Skip. I know this puts me, in some prudish minds, into the bad guy category, but I never did like the taste of hypocrisy so here it goes - whatever it was I wish he had KNOCKED THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF HIM.

The desperate, shameless, and spineless words during a huddle or in passing on the field in other sports, are for the weakest and most worthless of those we call human.

A real hard and honest game of bona fide talent is not always what we get but when we do, the verbal taunting of the bully has to rely on skill they have not. Let this be a lesson for those who's hearts are into a clean fight as they must be strong and endure such taunting.

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All hail the World Cup champions and put away the sour grapes.


And boy did they earn that one! Incredibly hard work. Just unbelievable!
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I saw the first 12 minutes of the match, missed the middle, then saw the last 2 penalty kicks. I only saw the head butt quickly one time on the news afterward. Frankly, and admittedly taken out of context (I didn't see what happened immediately before or afterwards), it didn't look all that bad. What I mean is, it looked less harmful than some of the kicks and slams that went on at other times during the world cup.
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This is the reason I stopped watching sports years ago. Too many prima donnas with anger management issues. Just like children on a playground, but without the supervision and consequences.

I wasn't surprised at all with Zidane's action. We coddle these atheletes too much and I for one, just don't participate anymore.
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Steven I said it on page one as well.

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Also, take a close look at children "at play". They do a less sophisticated and monetarily driven version of this but same old s**t.

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How does anyone know what was said on the field of play trash talk is a common place .ZIDANE should be stripped. period, Skip way did you ever see pete rose do any thing? he said he is not guilty. but I did see that primadona head but a fellow athlete.
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On 2006-07-10 21:38, Lo-Key wrote:
Skip way did you ever see pete rose do any thing? he said he is not guilty.


Let's see...January 5, 2004....Sports Illustrated...Quote: "NEW YORK -- In his new book, written with Rick Hill, My Prison Without Bars, Pete Rose admits for the first time publicly that he placed bets with bookies on Cincinnati Reds games as often as five times a week while managing the team in 1987. An exclusive excerpt of the autobiography will be published in this week's issue of Sports Illustrated, available on newsstands."

Well, I'd say THAT was straight from the horse's mouth. That settles THAT argument. Stick to what you know, Low.
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