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I'm glad to hear that Eric is cheking out the paternity of the spoon bend. I know you're probably a great guy and evrybody on the Café says you are, but I hope you do the same credting for the rubber band stuff.
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Duarte .. ARE you implying my Band effects are someones elses ????????////////
my effects are my own creations and no one elses.... and I credit when credit is do.............and if someone else adds to my effect they will also receive the creit do to them,. I do not need any negitive comments form you or any one else that is not justified,
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On 2006-08-14 20:28, duarte007 wrote:
I'm glad to hear that Eric is cheking out the paternity of the spoon bend. I know you're probably a great guy and evrybody on the Café says you are, but I hope you do the same credting for the rubber band stuff.


Duarte007,

What kind of a comment is that? Are you implying that Vinny's "Liquid Band" is not original and that an identical effect was published by someone else at an earlier time?

At this point, rather than your above snide comments and innuendo, if, in fact, you know that Vinny's material is not original and you actually have some knowledge of any such earlier source material for this effect, it would be more helpful if you now publicly posted any such missing credits here on the Café. And if none are forthcoming from you, might we assume that you were just being a jerk and that a public apology to Vinny will be promptly forthcoming?

An even more gentlemanly thing (and classy thing) to have done would have been to send Vinny a PM and let him know if you had source material on the Liquid Band effect so that Vinny could have been given an opportunity to correct this matter himself.

As it stands now, you have thrown out an unsubstantiated innuendo that besmirches Vinny's reputation and no one, not even Vinny, has any idea whether or not there might be an earlier version of the identical effect, or, if instead, you are just blowing smoke, trying to created controversy or trying to injure a fellow magician's reputation in the process.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Mike

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Duarte007....

Always wise to remove one's cranium from whatever dark space it has presently been occupying....BEFORE casting vague and unsupported aspersions against another.
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This is one of those effects where you watch the instructions while following along with your own hands, and then when the magic happens you think 'Holy crap, how did I do that!'

It's a great looking piece of magic and although I could do it straight after watching Vinny's instructions, I'm going to put a whole lot of practice into this to do it the justice it deserves before performing it publicly.

2 thumbs up!

Billy
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On 2006-08-14 20:28, duarte007 wrote:
I'm glad to hear that Eric is cheking out the paternity of the spoon bend. I know you're probably a great guy and evrybody on the Café says you are, but I hope you do the same credting for the rubber band stuff.


Please provide some proof before you blast someone.
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Duarte007 . . . I believe it was you who said, "some people are better speed bumps than commentators." How ironic.

Vinny is one of the most ethical, honorable and upright people I know. For that reason, alone, I am proud to call him my friend.

If something is created that, as it turns out, was invented by someone earlier, Vinny will be the first to give credit or remove it from his offerings. You have no idea how Vinny circulates his creations (and those of others he intends to publish) among fellow magicians for their input/comment and to ensure they are original. As such, your post's inference is most innoble of you. - Scott
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The Liquid Band is original and very powerful, actually to be quite honset I think it's the very best rubber band penetration I've seen.

The Liquid Band effect is GOLD vinny, and don't let anybody convince you otherwise!

Best Regards,

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Duarte,

Your post has caught the attention of The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer! Someone usually gets whacked for this, but its different in the FAMIGLIA! So....let me just say this...

The Godfather's Liquid Band is ORIGINAL!

Why you might ask....


Because I said so!!!

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I have updated the website.....you can view some demos of upcoming products.

That being said, ** you Scott, for releasing Mindcast. I've been lucky to have been playing with it for the last couple of months. I don't touch mentalism but MindCast jumped immediately into my repertoire.

Breakaway Bracelet and Gallerian Bend are no slouches, either...
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Okay, you all think I'm a jerk, whatever. I'm just asking questions. All this stuff can be found on MVD if anyone bothered to look. Just so you don't think I'm running away.

2004-09-09
This was posted.
http://www.magicvideodepot.com/view.php?a=v&t=3664
Notice what the trick is called (Liquid Penetration) Its the same thing on one of the DVD's and Charlie C. even says he didn't like the get-ready for it. Then there's nothing until.

2005-04-07
http://www.magicvideodepot.com/view.php?a=v&t=5219
OK, now the name changes to (Liquid Band Too) iit looks like a play on words, but now the name has been changed, not only that, Look at the handling its totaly differnet from the first.

2005-05-09
http://www.magicvideodepot.com/view.php?a=v&t=5441
Someone figures it out and posts it. This guy calls it (Liquid Variations revistited). vinny replies on Mon, 09 May 2005. Wayman that was terrrific I loved your rendetion using the wand vinny godfather of magic the creator of liquid bandand and Vince Mendoza for his wonderful handling of this effect. Then vmendoza replies to this video on Mon, 09 May 2005 23:56:00. Nice variation Wayman. Vinny Marini originated Liquid Band, which was a penetration off the band. I streamlined my own handling and realised that I could cause the band to penetrate onto an object and then have it pass thru, coming off the object. Check your PM, I'm going to send you one.

2005-08-23
http://www.magicvideodepot.com/view.php?a=v&t=6136
Another guy doesn't even give credit. This guy calls it (Liquid Bands) I saw this and didn't see any credit so I wrote this on Wed, 24 August 2005. That looks good, but you should be crediting Vince Mendoza who came up with the penatration on, and Vinny Marini who came up with the original handling of Liquid Band. I don't think you've seen Vinny's handling because you're using Mendoza's refinements. Do a search for Liquid Band Too.

So that's it. You can see where the changes happened, and who came up with them. Vinny even says that he only got a demo, so he figured out a way to do (Liquid Band Too) because vmendoza never sent him the handling. So let me ask you all if this guy Wayman, or this guy iluzjacwiras decided to sell this trick because they both figured out a way to do it even if mendoza never told them how it was done. Would that be OK with you?
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What came first THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG...........
Duarte get a life............A ROSE IS STILL A ROSE
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Hey Vinny,
Someone in another section mentions your top change. I have an older manuscript you sent or I bought called the Top Gun Control.. Is this the same thing?
Thanks,

Tom
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Tom, no the godfathers top change is different.......
send me your e mail address and ill send a teaching video demo to you .
and any one else that has never seen it.....
vinny
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tom I found your e mail address it is on its way
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Duarte,

You don't know the real history of the effect.

Vinny released it FIRST on his Godfather DVD. It was HIS. Vince Mendoza took it and IMPROVED it by cleaning up the get ready. Vinny recently re-released the effect as an instant download with Vince's new get ready. Vince has given his blessings on this effect, so who are you to continue to try to tarnish Vinny's name?

You need to get a life man, like the Godfather already stated.
"Whenever he gets in a fix he reaches into his bag of tricks.
Felix the cat, the wonderful, wonderful cat..."
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Duarte,

Vinny redesigned his website and had every right to raise his price from $6 to $10. It was available at the LOW price of $6 for 6 weeks. Please point out a comparable product at that price point.

Do you have any idea how much of his material he gives away for free EACH day? It's a good thing he's retired, because he spends a good portion of his day sending people PERSONALIZED instructional videos of his pet moves. Yes, some of these effects/moves will be released on his website but he doesn't care, he still sends them out.

He was in Vegas for the last 3 days. When he called me the last couple of days, do you know what his concern was? He wanted to reply to everyone and let them know he was on vacation, so he could get back and send out his handling videos.

I'm not exaggerating when I say that he's created over 1,000 unique videos for Café members. I think he's had like 50 requests for his Top Change handling just this week alone. Trust me, I know, I've formatted his hard drive multiple times and the number of videos he's created for other members I have to burn to dvd are mind-boggling. Do you know how many VHS copies of his first effect Warped and Restored he shipped out to people around the world? It really irks me when you complain that he raised the price from $6 to $10.

It's quite obvious DUARTE that you have a personal vendetta against Vinny. I don't know if you are jealous of his popularity or you weren't loved enough by your parents as a child. You've attacked his credibility again and again by posting misinformation. You take posts out of context and try to piece together history. Guess what? The real world doesn't work like that. Too many pieces aren't available publicly and you end up looking like the jerk you really are.

Southpaw,

Vinny is acting rude towards his MISINFORMED attacker? How dare he? Here's another case of an individual not realizing the whole picture. If I came to your threads with a personal vendetta I bet you'd get rude with me too, eventually. And yes, I am rude in this post but you guys really riled me up.
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Felix the cat, the wonderful, wonderful cat..."
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Durate 007 and South Paw
You are both new here, and don't realize that Vinny is one of the most creative, and trusted rubber band magic trick inventors in the world. Everything he does is totally unique, and all too often he just gives new tricks away to whoever asks him. He has built on the fundimentals tricks of his predessors like Chris Kenner, and has taken rubber band magic to a whole nother level. I forgive you for not knowing that no one ever questions the godfather, and I hope Vinny, is not offended. He is more accustomed to answer questions, and helping his fans from all over the world than defending his reputation to uninformed newbees.
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Just to try and cool things down I will get back on topic.
I have been a student of rubberband magic for quite a while now and I must
say that when I saw mr. marini's demo of the liqiud band penetration I was very
impressed. I purchased it and let me tell you that you won't miss those $10 bucks.
it was still $6 when I got it Smile .
the handling is great as well as the teaching part and it's nice to see the godfather's face for a change Smile .
the penetration has easily made it into my rubberband routine and will definetly remain there.
I highly recommend this !
all the best ,

-Matt
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There are professionals, amatures, and hobbyst here at the magic Café. The worst kind of hobbyst's are the "know it all's" who are more interested in arguing with the masters than learning from them. The magic Café is all about magicians helping magicians. There are other magic forums where you don't have to be a gentlemen to belong, the magic Café is for those who know how to act like an adult.
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Perhaps magicians should spend more time around adults then?

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