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Actually, I think if you really wanted to be completely authentic when performing the Ramsay routine, you should actually have a grocery counter to work on. Something about the aroma of a greengrocer's could add to the misdirection.

I worked at a lot of pizza parlors. They never had tablecloths or placemats. I was in the band, mostly, but did some close up at table. The pay scale for the bands was the same as night clubs. There was a period of time in Houston when the pizza parlors were a highly coveted gig.

With 22 pizza parlors in town using musicians and 20 bands that were capable of filling a room 5 - 7 nights a week, it was a very stable gig.

But it definitely wasn't high class.
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On 2006-07-20 19:49, RiserMagic wrote:
Since my name has been dragged in to this discussion, I'll make a few comments. In the 40+ years I performed magic I never once worked a gig where the tables were not covered with a table cloth or at the minimum a place mat. Knocking items without trying them is certainly not the way to progress.
Jim


Geez Jim, relax. I'm sure Jonathan meant no harm, it was just his personal observation or opinion. I'm sure Jonathan has worked places too with table cloths
even if they were the checkered paper ones Smile j/k Jonathan.

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To build upon...

Perhaps getting a retention on the ball transfers in the trick?

You mean as in adding a chop and rattle gimmick to the cup?

As in adding a lid to make the cups into functional containers?

You mean as in exploring for suitable "balls" which would be contextually congruent to the props and venue?

Nah... who would want to do that?

Oh yeah, me.

Grumble grumble.

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On 2006-07-20 18:16, Pete Biro wrote:
I think the Ramsay routine is terrific and had a set of cups custom spun by Mike Brazil years and years ago.


John V. Hope of NY made me a set of metal cups from three candle holders. Remind me offline and I will send some pics of them.
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I don't eat much ice cream out of small containers, so I don't know what the current Haagen Dasz lids look like. But the lids on the ice cream containers I remember from childhood were the kind that were inserted into the cup, rather than the kind that fit over the mouth of the cup.
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On 2006-07-23 13:54, Bill Palmer wrote:
I don't eat much ice cream out of small containers, so I don't know what the current Haagen Dasz lids look like. But the lids on the ice cream containers I remember from childhood were the kind that were inserted into the cup, rather than the kind that fit over the mouth of the cup.



Bill,
Think of Haagen Daz lids as looking like the cardboard equivalent of an Okito Box lid.
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On 2006-07-20 18:16, Pete Biro wrote:
I think the Ramsay routine is terrific and had a set of cups custom spun by Mike Brazil years and years ago.


I read that Ramsay lost his metal cups. Did he use the ice cream tubs because the metal ones were lost/stolen, or were the spray-painted tubs used intentionally in the routine written-up by Farelli?

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On 2006-07-21 00:33, Bill Palmer wrote:
Actually, I think if you really wanted to be completely authentic when performing the Ramsay routine, you should actually have a grocery counter to work on. Something about the aroma of a greengrocer's could add to the misdirection.

I worked at a lot of pizza parlors. They never had tablecloths or placemats. I was in the band, mostly, but did some close up at table. The pay scale for the bands was the same as night clubs. There was a period of time in Houston when the pizza parlors were a highly coveted gig.

With 22 pizza parlors in town using musicians and 20 bands that were capable of filling a room 5 - 7 nights a week, it was a very stable gig.

But it definitely wasn't high class.


I sure miss the old "sing a-long pizza parlors" what ever happened to them?
Was also a great close up gig.

PIZZA + Beer + Singing + Magic = 1 great time for the whole fam damily

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On 2006-07-23 16:57, taliesin wrote:..I read that Ramsay lost his metal cups. Did he use the ice cream tubs because the metal ones were lost/stolen, or were the spray-painted tubs used intentionally in the routine written-up by Farelli?...


As best I recall from readings, Ramsay used to do a more classical routine with metal cups. Without making too may inferences, it seems likely that when those metal cups were lost, the icreamcups routine was developed.

Certainly the strategies in the closeup routine would apply using larger props.

At first read, the Farelli book seemed like a double chop cup routine done with innocent props.
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So, we can be grateful that he lost his traditional cups - otherwise his ice cream cups routine might never have been developed. Interesting what happens when people have to adapt to circumstances - many of us would have bought a new set of cups; the thrifty and creative Scot developed an unique routine! Smile
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Do you know how hard it is to do the cup through cup bit with paper cups? Smile

Or to carry them around safely? Smile
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[quote]On 2006-07-23 21:37, kOnO wrote:
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I sure miss the old "sing a-long pizza parlors" what ever happened to them?
Was also a great close up gig.

PIZZA + Beer + Singing + Magic = 1 great time for the whole fam damily

kOnO


Well, they died out from reverse engineering. At the peak of the singalong pizza parlors, the top fice pizza parlors in the world were three of them in the Houston area, the one in Tokyo and the one in Honolulu. Each of them was grossing more than $10K per week. This was in the middle 1970's. Their entertainment was costing them about $800 - $1000 per week. So, the bean counters went in, ran the numbers and decided that 8% was the top dollar a pizza parlor should pay for entertainment.

This looked good on paper. But anyone in the entertainment business could tell you that if you have a place that is grossing $5 K, you need some decent entertainment to pull people in. After all, there were roughly 2 dozen pizza parlors in Houston that had entertainment. There were at least 150 that just served pizza. People weren't coming to Shakey's just for the pizza.

The next wave of accountants cut the entertainment budget to 5% of the gross. Pretty soon, people were coming into the places, and all they would see was a hemipygian piano player, who probably wasn't playing anything because nobody was there to listen. Heck, I would at least practice. So, eventually, they went down the tubes.
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I've been searching the Café to find a link that I visited some time last week in regard to buying a quality chop cup. During the day, I don't always have the opportunity to write down the links for future reference and I was hoping this site would be off the cuff in your mind.
I visited a site that had very uniques cups. They also offered a beautiful ornate purse frame. I only briefly browsed the site and would like to pruchase the products. Would you happen to know the site I'm referring to based on the description. Any help would be appreciated.
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I just ordered the van dokkun cups along with some silver coin products. Thanks for the feedback. The sterling Sherwoods are out of stock. Has the limited edition been sold?
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The limited edition is gone. I think most of the silver Sherwoods are out of stock. Brett is the fellow to ask, though, not me. The smooth silver ones have been gone for several months, now.
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I bought a set of the smooth sterling silver Sherwood cups (with gold wash interior) from Brett about a month ago (#8 of 10 limited edition). At the time, he had only one more set in this particular series available. It may still be available. The all sterling cups (again limited to ten sets) have been sold out for some time. I think this is what Bill was referring to. The gold-plated sterling cups (again limited to 10) may still be available.

Incidentally, the quality of service from Brett and his wife is second to none.

As for the cups, what can I say? Absolutely exquisite! Best of the best!

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There had been some questions about whether Danny Dew had ever made any solid silver cups.

I have a set of silver plated ones. It would be difficult to tell the difference unless you scratched the cup to reveal the base metal.

However, I felt that there was one place I could find the answer. Most of the cups that Danny sold were spun by Perigee metal spinning in Phoenix. I called them yesterday.

They still remembered Danny. And they said they had not spun any cups from silver.
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