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Marvello Inner circle It's amazing how little I can say in 1612 Posts |
I have noticed a certain prejudice against people who choose to take anonymous names, like myself, without providing a link to their website, or anything like that. I can understand where those people are coming from, however as an anonymous poster I felt it was necessary to speak out. I realize that posting here, and providing a link to your site in your sig, allows google and other sites to index you better, and it is nice of the management to allow people to do so, however for the same reason I also do not want to make any posts in a public forum that I do not want any of my customers to read. If I make a post here regarding a client or a situation there is a possibility that the person in question may somehow find that post by me via a search engine. Granted, it is a remote possibility, but it does exist. Since the beginning of the internet I have been concious of not posting my actual name anywhere online since I do not want to be indexed or profiled by anyone, and I still feel that way. The internet is a public forum, and stuff will come back to haunt you if you are not careful. Anyway, I felt that after reading so many posts that belittle anonymous posters it was time to speak out on their (and therefore my own) behalf.
Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
This has been discussed before.
A lot of folks feel the same way about using your real name on the Internet as you do. I get enough spam and other junk as it is. To each thier own. It don't matter what my real name is. I'm generous with my posts and come here in hopes of helping others. Those reading them can accept or reject my opinions. |
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
I hear but don't understand all you say Marvello. You mentioned your desire for some level of "anonymity" incase a client or potential client reads it. I can see the name issue but the avatars that give us no idea who we are dealing with always got on my nerves - guess I'll have to live with it as it's not my call. I know a couple of very well known performers who disguise themselves on this board. By the same token, we have many big names who drop in here with their own face and names as an avatar. Maybe you shouldn't express your thought in writing if it's something you wouldn't be caught saying person to person.
In the last couple of years, I've said a couple of things here that "rocked the boat"? But I've never said anything here, in writing, that I wouldn't be willing to say to the reader in person. If ten or twenty years from now, someone wants to dig up and reference something I said here, in a negative light, I'll be glad to meet them in person and in public to remind them to GET A D*** LIFE. Also note that some of us don't deal with or communicate with some who hide behind the mask. Another thing I've noticed is some of the most heated debates/disagreements I've ever had here were with "anonymous" posters to the point where I just walked away and let them have it their way etc. On a positive note, some of us would like to see who we are communicating with. Well at least some sort of an idea incase you are in character such as Bill Palmer. But even Whit Haydn shows his face and loads of contact information. The key for such people is they know what they speak of and watch what they say. Look at the number of VIP's we've had here who've showed their face. That's my approach to the issue. Bill Palmer just addressed this matter here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......71&0 |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Bill has his opinions and I agree with some of them.
As far a credibility goes, knowing my real name would do nothing where my words may. I'm not as much an enigma as the highly regarded S.W. Erdnase is. David Kotkin, William Wallace, Quintino Marucci and many other magicians don't use thier "real names" but thier work and opinions are respected. I don't see the problem some people have with aliases. |
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Noel M Loyal user San Rafael. CA 208 Posts |
I can understand anonimity to some degree and see Marvello's point. I think we need to measure the anonymous users by the content of their posts. I don't think I'd have any problem with an anonymous user who is thoughtful, respects the opinions of others any generally makes postive contribions to the Café.
On the other hand I'd ignore a flamer, troublemaker or other variety of nitwit, anonymous or not. |
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Marvello Inner circle It's amazing how little I can say in 1612 Posts |
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On 2006-07-18 20:28, RandyStewart wrote: I think you are misunderstanding me. It is not that I want to say rude things about my clients, or anyone, and I have always gone by the same rule as you, however that doesn't mean I want my name attached to any ideas in print, especially when I don't have the power to make any edits after a certain time period. Just as I don't write letters to the editor of my local opinion voicing my opinion on matters I feel are important, I also don't make similar posts on the internet that can be identified with me - not even sigining guest books. A lot of people think that writing to the editor is a noble thing to do, just as some people think that posting your full name along with your posts is also a noble thing to do, however that does not mean that people who choose to be more private about their feelings or identity have ideas that are any less valid, or that their posts should be discounted just because they are posting anonymously.
Never criticize someone else until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes.
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
Point well taken Marvello. Many of us will present ourselves as differently as we present our magic etc.
I'll even agree with you in that some of the best posts I've ever read here were "anonymous" posters. But they remain to this day, far outnumbered by anonymous posters who, because of their behavior, choose to "hide" behind a mask. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Being someone else on the internet or nobody makes you wonder why. If I wonder why, then I tend to lend less creedence to what is said. This is only me.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
Well there's a few on here who could never tell us who they are eventhough they are household names. Because of their position in the industry, their obligations to others, image to uphold, BUT their burning desire to express their thoughts, don't hold their tongue while not letting the world who they really are. But not every other Dick & Harry in here!
It's the way that goes for a very few and I respect that position. I know of a famous radio personality who frequents this board and causes trouble all the time. He's of no contribution to this community - zero. His behavior is similar to those who leave no trace of who they are but pages and pages of garbage. |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Well I try to use my real name. It is actually kind of an inheritance thing for my kids. When I die they can compile all my Internet stuff and write an e-book titled: "The stupid things my dad said". Millions they'll make.
I don't care to hide my name, no one I know, care to know, care to work for/with would be surprised at the stuff I've wrote anywhere. I have found that troublemakers usually are anonymous, but not always. My name could be Sarah Gigglefrunk and I might have taken my picture from a magazine. It's not my name though, I had it legally changed.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
For the rest of the "anonymous" posters who do learn, teach, and contribute, we thank you. Gracias!
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CJRichard Special user Massachusetts 542 Posts |
Because I'm somewhat well known in my hometown and hold a job in local government, I sometimes post under assumed names in local forums where my views might clash with those of the elected officials who are currently my bosses. My wife and I also publish a local periodical and I don't want personal views on local topics to influence the opinions of potential advertisers.
Here, though, and in some other forums, my user name is basically my real name. And using my real name in a public place means that I do not mind having anything I say here traced back to me. Fortunately the local Board of Selectmen doesn't really care what I think about ambidextrous fork use by magicians in restaurants.
"You know some of you are laughin', but there's people here tryin' to learn. . ." -Pop Haydn
"I know of no other art that proclaims itself 'easy to do.'" -Master Payne Ezekiel the Green |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
I am lucky. I don't say or write things that I wouldn't stand by in life.
Oh lucky me. Quote me to clients or let them find it here, it won't hurt or help me one bit. I don't have clients who would care to find this board in the first place. Then they would be bored senseless reading it to find anything to be upset or agree with.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2006-07-18 23:20, CJRichard wrote: ;) |
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SantaClaus New user North Pole 28 Posts |
In addition to other issues mentioned above, there is also the matter of security. Using your real name on a forum leaves you open to cyberstalking ... or worse, PHYSICAL stalking. It happens a lot. I've seen it happen to people I know. And it doesn't happen because a person is nasty online and invites the stalking. It happens because they're young, or because they're female, or because ... well, just because. So, using a fake name is not only okay ... it is, in my opinion, advisable.
Now, I, of course, use my real name, and since everyone knows my address already, I'm vulnerable. However, I'm a big man, and I can handle it. Besides, everyone knows how much I love stalkings/stockings. However, there are many people who are legitimately concerned about opening themselves up to this kind of security issue. I would never, never criticize someone for using an assumed name as an online identity, nor do I think it is appropriate to do so. |
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APC Inner circle Los Angeles 1213 Posts |
I agree with most of the points stated above. I do indded have an anonymous name here, however if someone wanted to know who I was, it is easily found as I use this name for everything on the internet. Also I like it as I have used it since I was 6 years old and its just a habit to register online with that name. I do understand that people like to know who they are talking to, but if it is really that important, they can ask. I understand the matter of security and I think it is great that people are taking precautions against the dangers of the internet. I use baskitboy5 not so much for the disguise but more because it is a habit and I like the name. Also on many of my posts I will sign my name and this way people are able to address me by either my online name or my real name. Whatever makes the other person feel better and helps the conversation. I don't think that someones views should be looked down apon because of there fake name on this site, unless they are just flaming the board in which case I don't care if their real name is on the site.
Just my 2 cents Adam |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Content. All that matters really. I prefer to communicate with a real person rather than beeblesnarf87dorklesnoot but that's habit...I tend to 'lose it' easily with funny names. Just ask anyone who ever had to do a radio news block with me.
Legendary crackups (especially in Alaska). But it is content. The age usually peeks through when there is a 12 year old know it all hiding behind a dopey name. And many false name 'carriers' do use their real 1st name as a signer. We can pretty much tell the punks from the serious posters. But I think it is in the area of CRITIQUE when folks get sensitive. When arrows are being thrown it's only fair to know who's doing the shooting. Now that radio personality...wouldn't be the bovine-ish one would it?
Higley's Giant Flea Pocket Zibit
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gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
Now personally, I do go by my stage name on the list...Is that the same as going anonymous? I don't do it to hide my true identity (My birth name is Michael O'Hair), and I don't have any problem with people here knowing it, but I prefer to be called by my stage name, especially since if I meet people from the Café (Which I have- Hi Marvello!!) it would be at a show.
1st- If you came to one of the Gothy venues or Ren Fests I do shows at, out of the 300 people there, only about 10 know my real name. The chances of asking the right ten people "Have you seen Michael?" are pretty slim, and then you wouldn't find me until I was going onto the stage. You ask anyone have they seen Gwyd or Gwydion, you find me right away. 2nd- Some of the clubs I work at are...Umm...Ok...How can I put this...I work a lot of fetish/leather "alternative lifestyle" clubs (What can I say, they like the fire, blood and pain endurance shows). Now, I have a healthy bit of kink in my life, but not like these folks. I don't want them to know ANYTHING about me. So if someone were to "Take a walk on the wild side" and come and see my acts at one of these venues (Like my partner's father did for a show a few months ago- He liked our act btw...Live reinactment of Hellraiser), I do not want them coming up afterwards and saying "Michael...Great Act! Bit of a drive from Grand Rapids though isn't it?" while some 6'8" man in a rubber dress takes notes giggling in a way that makes me very uncomfortable. So for me, it is not that I am trying to hide anything from anyone here, just using my most recognisable public face. Gwyd |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
Doug had to grow the beard because we look like twins.
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Josh the Superfluous Inner circle The man of 1881 Posts |
O.K., I'll come clean. My name is actually Joshua.
What do you want in a site? "Honesty, integrity and decency." -Mike Doogan
"I hate it, I hate my ironic lovechild. I didn't even have anything to do with it" Josh #2 |
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