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Larry Davidson
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There are a lot of magicians out there who are will copy a DVD and then sell the original, and it won't matter to them if there's one or one thousand effects on the DVD. In my opinion, that's contributing to DVD producers' decisions to market one-trick DVDs...it gives them more product to sell to make up for the thievery. In large part, the community has itself to blame. If you want a lot of effects for your money (and for other reasons), consider buying a book.

Back on topic, I don't own Fraud (yet), but my instinct tells me that it's a worker.
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On 2006-10-03 20:57, gamma105 wrote:
This thread has giving enough information without tipping the secret. Can you people stop trying to fish out the method already? it's getting annoying

Ermm, I wasn't trying to help reveal the secret, I was just worried about some things. Now it's cleared and everything is fine.
So...don't attack me for do nothing!
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Yeah, back off!
Hart Keene
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I recieved the DVD and I have to say that the effect and method is wonderfull. Great job Garcia!

I just have one small concern and I could just be thinking like a magician but hear me out. I believe that when dealing with any bill s****H one must be a little concerned with the "wear" of the bills being different. For example: I perform the mismade bill all the time. If the only bill the spectator has is heavily worn I am very carefull about handing the mismade bill to a spectator for examination. I will also give myself a good amount of "space" between the bill and spectator's eyes. Sometimes if the bill is very worn I will do a different effect all together. Anyone who performs these types of effects knows that this is a valid concern. Specifically when the spec handles the "bill" before and after the effect. I guess I just wanted to hear others solutions for this concern.

In the restaurants and bars that I work customers will sometime's have a bunch of 1 dollar bills sitting on the table either for a tip or for the video lottery. It is nice because then you can pick the bill that best matches the wear of the mismade bill.

What are your thoughts guys?
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I just ask for a fairly new bill or straight one becouse it makes it easier for me to perform the effect. Than when your done with the effect tell the spectator it was easier to move the seal with a smooth bill. They just look at you like your crazy or something.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1LbXzpmf-M I am fed up! this is crazy, the trick has been out a little over a week and this dumb kid is teaching it on youtube. Come on there has to be something we can do to stop this. I am really tired of it. Please let me know what you guys think. Should we start working hard on trying to help out and fix this problem? I think so.
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That website shows Oz performing Bottled Up...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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On 2006-10-05 13:05, Hart Keene wrote:
Hell, I ordered mine 3 days ago!!!!! I am a working professional and I have all the material I could ever need but I am just as sick with "the magic bug" as I was 10 years ago. Is there any cure? Not Daniel Garcia!

Mr Keene... yes there is a cure but side effects are horrible. (ie hair lost, pink eye and so on)

This is a great effect and I have performed it without any problems as of yet.
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On 2006-10-08 08:12, joseph wrote:
That website shows Oz performing Bottled Up...


Actually if you watch to the end of Bottled up, it shows a link to the Fraud video. What is more annoying to me is at the end of that one, there is a link to a bad educated guess of Houchin's Indecent that even rips off the exact same music from Wayne's demo.


For me, I enjoy doing Fraud. I made up a few $1 bills and a $20 that I carry around with me to have. The other night I did it in a bar after a staff retreat and picked a $1 off the bar from a pile. Another time, I followed up 3D cash with it when after turning the $1s to $10s to $100's, I had a couple people pull out their $1 bills asking me to try to turn their $1s to $100s. So I got to pick which bill I wanted.

However, most times, if I need to, I will just palm the $1 bill and ask for a person's wallet and pick one from out of the wallet. I ask to borrow a wallet in my stand-up act closer for years and have yet to have anyone refuse. Makes it real easy to do a switch and he most likely would not even know what condition his bill was in.
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My bad, wrong link however it is on youtube trust me. this has really upset me!
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If you go to youtube and do a search for "magic" and "fraud" you will find plenty of people posting vids. Most of them are pointless.
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I totally agree with sickmagic... Too many wannabe mask magicians on youtube and most of them are kids - exposing magic effects for everyone to see... It's pretty sad. I discovered two effects by D. Garcia that have already been exposed on how they’re done, torn and, of course, fraud... I wonder how D. Garcia feels about his material being exposed for free on youtube.
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Ya know, Kumpletoo, I wonder that same thing. Daniel & Co work hard to create unique, workable effects, and some bottom-feeding, knuckle-dragging neanderthal decides it would be acceptable to expose them on YouTube.

I'd be out for blood. Really, though....there's not a THING one can do. It is a travesty, and a SLAP in the face to so many invaluable creators of said effects.

To think the only way to stop it is to stop producing DVD's and go back to BOOKS, just GALLS me...

Now I have a d*mn headache. Where's that Aleve??? (Gulp!)

Doug
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Well let me say this I own only 4 6 dvds the rest of my collection is books I own fraud, now the garcia projects, harada hold, and cultural exchange one! I wish everyone would start putting books out again! Its the best way to learn and be creative!
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Although fraud is basically revealed on youtube, there really isn't a way for someone to make the fraud gimmick without buying the actual dvd, and the something extra that comes with the dvd is a little hard to find in most stores since it isn't that common of an item.
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Lol that is not true, you can figure out how to get the needed stuff and its not that hard. Daniel did it...LOL
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I'm sure that anyone watching whats going on with Fraud is aware of the latest, or at least the latest as far as what I know. I just received an email from Jeff explaining to me that the DVD should be available for release sometime in November.
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Ah ok, so how is everyone else liking the effect? Im loving it. Out in the field right now so I cant make any untill I get back home.
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A fine effect.
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I truly love this effect. I get great reactions. But you will not see me doing this on Youtube. I mean if you ever see me do an effect on there is to get help from you guys, or it will be done in front of spectators to see the reactions. I do have a problem with the versions I have seen of this on youtube. Listen brothers. The ones that I have seen are good but the truth is, the trailer for this effect on E was made that way for a specific reason. You guys although are doing the effect right are showing too much. You can rewind and play again and again on youtube. That is not good for this effect or many others that you see on there. I know you want people to see your skills, but if that is the case then put it on magicvideodepot. Or something like that, That is password protected.

There is on version that I saw on youtube that bugged me a bit. And it was the subtleties he moved the seal and went the extra mile to scratch the seal after it was moved to show that it was really there. Me as a magician wouldn't do that little extra. Because by scratching it are saying that it is there, but if you are the magician, wouldn't you be able to move it again? Just do it and give it away. Let them play with it as much as they want. Your giving away to much. Just something to think about. I love this effect and will be done as much as I can.
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