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Steven Steele
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I just bought a new car and, even though I don't smoke, I was surprised to see that there wasn't an ashtray in it. The 12 Volt connector also stated that it would not support a cigarette lighter. I'm wondering, is this a California Law, Federal Law, or a cultural change here in the US?
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I might guess it's some law there in California 'cause I just bought a new car about 2 weeks ago and mine has a cigarette lighter in it (though I have no use for it 'cause I don't smoke.)

What car did you get Steve?
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RandyStewart
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Well you got the wrong car if they didn't ASK.

They can put the marvel of an engine and power windows in your toy but can't ask if you'd like to have the occasional Marlboro? I'll bet the car has a container holder for that cold beer though. Just check, you'll find several of them! Did the car come with convenient little pull out trays for that cheese burger and fries - no, no, no. Those things never killed anyone.

Fire them.

Such assumptions are just a slap in the face. I like to have a cigarette now and then whether in my car or home. I do not smoke in restaurants regardless of sections and refuse to be around anyone who is smoking while I eat.

But with the sort of investment they ask of buyers, they should ask. I have several cars and tend to drive the the most economical (gas prices) but they all have an ashtray. Good cars. Smile

Now Steve, do you ask as you're not sure, to put that bluntly, or are you genuinely in the dark about this?
Steve V
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It likely has a spot for an ashtray but is set up as a change drawer or something. My last two cars are the same way. Since I don't smoke, it never bothered me.

Steve V
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Well just got done with e-mail and off to tend to my animals and out of town. Love you all much but Steve's post got me thinking while feeding a few of the critters.

I'm glad you live on the Planet of California where apparently people like you are quite happy buying the car without such questions, whether you smoke or not, since you did buy it!

Furthermore, if you don't smoke, didn't find an opportunity to ash a cig in your car, why are you raising this issue? Live healthy, happy, smoke free, and keep buying their cars.

By the way, I bought a car with a "Don't Drink and Drive" Sticker. What should I do?
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I remember reading a while back that ashtrays and cigarette lighters were going to be considered optional equipment on some vehicles by one or more manufacturers. I seem to remember it from a couple of three years back.

In other words, they were to be considered an upgrade and not standard issue.

What kind of car are we talking about here?
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Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to show when you are there.

Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair
-can ne'er come down again.
RandyStewart
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Pat, you might be in Mexico at the moment but I have a dealer nearby home who can put a "W**re" in the right seat.

She doesn't mind if she can't light her cig or ash the thing in the car. SHE MAY AS WELL BE FROM CALIFORNIA WHERE THEY DON'T ASK SUCH QUESTIONS.

And for you Steve, how long have you lived on that planet? You show all how stupid one can get. Forget the smoking bit. You blow all the smoke you could stand up your ***.
Steven Steele
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Thanks for the responses. First of all, the car is a Honda Accord. I wouldn't have given the ashtray or lighter a second thought, but when we took delivery and started to get to know the vehicle, we noticed a sign on the coin tray, "Not an Ashtray". So that got us to looking and sure enough, not one to be found. As we were looking around we also noticed a small sign next to the 12V connection something to the effect that it wasn't for a lighter.

So then I started thinking, 'I wonder if it's a option'. So checked out their brochure and on-line product information and, sure enough, it's not even an option. So my next thought was, 'Why?". I haven't a clue, but just curious...I really don't care, just curious.

I thought it might be a California thing...after all, they're considering making cell phone use illegal while driving, and television screens are already illegal (if viewable by the driver), but they're installing GPS Navigation systems with a screen and all kinds of buttons for menus and such.

Legislators, regardless of their location, are a curious and funny bunch. The things that cause them pain and concern. I thought this might be one of them. Another collection of 'goofy laws' so to speak. I mean, while I don't smoke, if somebody wants to, I couldn't care less. At least give them the accessories necessary to keep from burning the car up or causing an accident. But I'm not in charge...

Randy,

I'm a 5th generation native Californian. My family moved here before the Gold Rush. I moved around growing up, but I've been here for good, since 1968. And while California is a liberal state (in the more populated areas) once you go into the interior, you'll find the conservatives are everywhere. I, myself, am slightly right of Louis XIV. Smile

And one more thing, off topic, Randy. My wife teaches with a young Korean lady. There is a large Korean contingency in the area. So I've sent her your Kimchi link and asked for a review. I don't know if any will make the effort, many of them don't speak much English, but I thought they might enjoy the site. I thought it very professional. Hope it catches on.
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Steven,

Great car and great taste. I mean that. Smart


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On 2006-07-31 10:57, Steven Steele wrote:
And one more thing, off topic, Randy. My wife teaches with a young Korean lady. There is a large Korean contingency in the area. So I've sent her your Kimchi link and asked for a review. I don't know if any will make the effort, many of them don't speak much English, but I thought they might enjoy the site. I thought it very professional. Hope it catches on.


It will NOT catch on as Kimchi has been prepared and consumed daily since the 7th century and looking about the American consumer habit - NO it does not work here now and probably ever. The site is for myself and like minded. That's all.

I am having someone develop a translated version of all information that goes on the site. It will be translated into several languages optional at the home page. This current version has only been up a week. When I looked into the cost of a webmaster and developer I was shocked and decided to create the site myself. I do it one step at a time. I've had to learn everything from hosting companies to HTML but have had so much fun doing so. No, this will not catch on stateside but the site welcomes those who partake of the cuisine. I have so much information and material lined up for it but as I said, I do it all myself and work on it as often as possible. I like it very much.

This information has saved my life and I will do all I can to offer it to others FREE of charge.

Some people and their hobbies....
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Wendy's Founder Dave Thomas has always been an idol of mine. There's a story he used to tell about traveling with Kentucky Fried Chicken magnate, Harlan Sanders. Dave traveled by car around the country selling Sanders' unique chicken frying process and recipe...this was in the 40's before the KFC franchise. (Which Dave also had a hand in creating.) Dave had just bought a brand new, high end car...his first...and he was very proud of it. Colonel Sanders joined him on one trip and as they were driving down the highway, without saying a word Sanders opened his window, ripped the clean new ashtray from the dash and threw it out the window...then ordered Dave to keep driving. When asked why, Sanders stated matter-of-factly that no one was allowed to smoke in any car he rode in...so he wouldn't be needing it. Guess the Colonel was a Californian at heart and ahead of his time.

:) Skip
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