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AndyGTheGreat
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Subterfuge- 11/10

It is basically a pk system where the ring is not magnetic and is completely examinable. It comes with an add on and a ditch so you can cleanly vanish shimmed coins cleanly.

I purchased it used for $30 and I would say it is worth $100.


The dvds it comes with are great. They even teach you vanishes and a shadow coins routine with subterfuge.

I truly do love this effect and think that every street/closeup magician should own it.
sadamspmp
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Hi, I have this on order and hope I'm not disappointed. I'd really like to replace an item in a spectator's hand, i.e., one coin for another or "change" an item into something else. Can I do this with SMS? Also, how would you compare it to a PK ring? Thanks!
CasualSoul
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The swapping things in the specs hand would be difficult unless you had other special gimmicks that would also work with something like a Raven. Black Widow is the only thing out there that can swap non gimmicked items in the specs hand.

SMS can easily be turned into a pk ring, but it is more of an entire hold-out system by comparison. SMS also allows you to do dozens of different effects, most of which would be impossible to replicate with just a pk ring.
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