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TheAmbitiousCard
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To save room on the floor, how about attaching lighting to one's spekaer stands. That way the speaker stands can be used for both lights and speakers? I wonder whether there might be a "buzz" from lights being too close to speakers?

I noticed ebay has clamp-on lighting bars that will attach to standard speaker stands.

This seems like a good idea ... coming from someone that doesn't know a darn thing.

If this does work I would still need to get the lights themselves.
Do I need a dimmer ? Do I need PAR 64 or can I get something lesser for a small-ish show?
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MikeDes
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Hey Frank,

When I was discovering the joys and expense of stage lighting this site really helped me figure things out.

http://www.magicroadie.com

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I used to be a mobile DJ and I avoided this for the pure reason that I was afraid that the vibration from the speakers would shake the filimants out of the lamps. Those lamps can get spensive. I realize that a magician probably isn't "thumping" like a Mobile DJ but that was just my rule of thumb. Just something to think about.
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There won't be a buzz in the sound system from the lights being near the speakers. Speaker level is high enough to not pick up the noise induced by lighting.
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Hi, Frank!
This isn't likely to work well, because the lights will probably be too close to the same height as your face. The lights should be 45 to 60-degrees above your face. Having them too close to the same height as your face will make it absolutely impossible for you to see the audience, and will produce an unpleasant & un-nantural shadow effect on your face.
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Thank you Dan. I expected that could be the case from reading various websites.

Given that this is already how I have gone with my choice, I will need to purchase 2 heavy-duty speaker stands that go up high enough to get the correct angle.

Or I could become a mentalist and take advantage of all the nasty shadows on my face.

I suppose In the meanwhile, at least I can play with the idea with this current setup to get comfortable before I need this.

To use the proper angles, I'm starting to think there is practically no way to do this properly and inexpensively. 45 degree angle means that for every 20 feet away from me, the lights would have to be 20 feet high plus my height. that is a problem.

is it not? how does one solve this in an inexpensive way with a portable lighting setup?
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Could you have the lights positioned on the floor pointing up at you? Kind of like footlights? Just a thought.

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I'm not sure how footlights look by themselves regarding shadows on the face.
Hopefully an expert will chime in.

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Footlights by themselves not only cause odd shadows on the face, but even less desirably, they can cast HUGE shadows on whatever is behind you.

A few fixtures positioned as Dan mentioned above will give you far superior lighting than footlights will.
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OK, so footlights are out! But how does one do what Dan suggests in a portable show.

To get the necessary height this seems very difficult unless the lights are very close to you on stage. In that case, they would be most likely in the way.

The further the lights are out in the audience, the taller the stands would have to be, increasing the danger of them falling over. This would require an overhead truss. Making it a non-portable show.

Hmmm...
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T-Bar lighting stands are placed on the downstage corners of the stage with four to 8 lights mounted on one or two cross bars.
If you can get them out into the orchestra pit area, all the better. It's in that situation when you need the extra height most of these type of stands offer in the form of an extendable main (king) post.

This isn't the ideal set up, but an investment in two colapsable stands like this is mandatory when setting up a basic lighting rig. In many ways it will be the cornerstone of your small lighting rig.

Although the lights aren't as far away from the performer as would be ideal when they're set up on the downstage corners, depending on the venue, you may not have a choice.

There are many T-Bar type stands available. You can get cheap and sturdy imports, or go all out and get a Matthews Studio Stand.

Regardless as to whether you purchase the Matthews or not, visit their web site to get an idea of just what's available in this type of stand.
http://www.msegrip.com/mse.php?show=products
TheAmbitiousCard
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I think you are right. This is my current plan and if I need to, I will buy some stands. The stands are usually impressively heavy duty and lightweight for the price.

Thanks for everyone's input.
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