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Jonathan Townsend
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How are we doing on defining the terms:
magic, performance and effect ?
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Andy the cardician
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Jon,

Great question. My "impromptu" definition would be

Effect is the what the trick is about, mainly from a technical (handling) view. For instance bill to lemon requires the following steps . . . etc.

Performance is how you present the effect. This includes the patter, the body language, the timing etc.

Magic is the feeling the spectator experiences if you perform an effect right.


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Chris Bruce
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On 2007-03-13 21:50, Andy the cardician wrote:

Effect is the what the trick is about, mainly from a technical (handling) view. For instance bill to lemon requires the following steps . . . etc.



It sounds like what you actually mean is method. The method is what the trick is about from a technical/handling view. Effect is the impossibility the audience experiences.

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Performance is how you present the effect. This includes the patter, the body language, the timing etc.



Actually, how you present the effect is called the presentation, not performance. The perfomance is when a handling of an effect is combined with a presentation, for an audience.
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I think it's important to be talking about the same things here, but I would refrain from making things too formal. We should be able to get there based on our intuitive notions of what those terms mean.

However, magic is central to my original post, and probably the hardest to define of the three. I should at least take a crack at defining it.

I would define magic as: "what is experienced when the boundaries are challenged of that which is held to be possible for an individual."



It's been a while since my original post. I just reread it, and I reconsidered my point of getting by on an intuitive notion of what an effect is. An adequate definition of an effect is very necessary.


I'll get back on that.
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On 2007-03-13 21:50, Andy the cardician wrote:
...Effect is the what the trick is about, mainly from a technical (handling) view. ...


How about using "effect" to mean "the story as one would like the audience members to tell their friends later". ?

As to "from a technical (handling)"... perhaps that is more about the stage work notions of blocking or scripting?
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Actually I like that definition very much. I think it captures what the effect is really nicely.

Despite the lack of a definition of what a performance is, we can now rephrase what I was hinting at in my original question to:

"Can you create a magical experience of which it can't be related how it was induced"

I'm not sure if that sentence is still English. And perhaps the definitions are a little too strong, but I believe we're making great way here.

A possible weaker version could be:


"Can you create a magical experience of which it can't be related exactly how it was induced"
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On 2007-03-16 10:40, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

How about using "effect" to mean "the story as one would like the audience members to tell their friends later". ?



effect - the magical experience from a spectator's view?
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Chris, Jonathan,

re-reading my post it is now very clear to me how badly I expressed it. My learning is not to do an "impromptu" definition.

Apologies and thanks for the patients.

Andy
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I recently told a few of my high school drama students that our theatre was haunted. Within two weeks, we had multiple sightings of a ghost. It has since become absolute truth that a ghost haunts the theatre in the guise of a clown or small boy. It is experienced as real, and therefore, in a sense, IS real. I fabricated the original story. And to my knowledge no ghost had ever haunted our theatre before I began the lie. But now, the lie has become truth. This seems to me to be magic. I have conjured a spirit, without the use of anything but the imaginations of some very creative young people.
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On 2007-04-24 21:29, dandanmagicman wrote:...But now, the lie has become truth. This seems to me to be magic. I have conjured a spirit, without the use of anything but the imaginations of some very creative young people.


Congratulations, you have performed an act of magic. What did you learn? What will you do wish to do with that new found knowledge?
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Not sure if its the same kind of thing, but I've always wondered if in a copper/silver coin transposition, you could have the silver in one hand, copper in the other. Close and open them, and have the audience believe they changed.
No idea how this could be done, but I'm sure its possible.
Good thread, enjoying the read.
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