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Dannydoyle
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Which brings us to him exposing "other peoples tricks".

Give away Mindfreak tricks. Without the helpers, editors, and such 90% of it is useless info anyhow. But barring that it is appalling.
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Have any of you been to the bookstore lately? Checked out the magic section? There are a hundred and one books that contain the exact same effects that Criss will probably put in this book.
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Yes raphlo2 but the only difference is that at the library, will go and get them the one who is really interest and not the one who thinks that Criss angel is cool.

That's the difference.

As you said before: "The only people that will buy this are 14 year old boys who think Criss Angel is "really cool" and have some interest in magic."

And I come back to you with some examples: don't you think that its really bad for magic the fact that David Copperfield is really cool to find out his secrets.

Don't you think that because I find Paul Zennon cool I can find out how "Out of This World" , or "Center Tear" works?

Do you think that because I like Blaine then I can learn how to levitate.


if I really think that Criss Angel is cool and have some interest in magic then I would make anything possible to go by myself to library or magic store and find out more about magic, instead of because I think the guy is cool, I can get his book learn the tricks show the book to my friends, parents, classmates, etc (cause the children that will get it will most of them definitely not respect the secrets).
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On 2006-09-11 13:10, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yea Dave your right, the publicity he gets from 12 or 50 posts here on the Café will definitely put him in another tax bracket.

Don't you think he will advertise it that way anyhow? Look how Penn and Teller brag about the "routine that got us thrown out of the Magic Castle".

It is a forum to "discuss" things. Why not let people "discuss"?


Don't laugh, it's happened. I've seen one magician who actually brags on his website about being banned from the Magic Café. It doesn't take much. 12-50 posts here won't do much, it's what they decide to do to spin it to their advantage that makes the difference.

Sure, discuss all you like. I haven't heard much discussion though. I have heard a lot of griping and whining by people who are probably kicking themselves that they didn't think of it first.

Personally, I can't wait to read about how he levitated a styrofoam cup by shoving his thumb through it. Smile
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On 2006-09-11 18:28, killermagic80 wrote:
Yes raphlo2 but the only difference is that at the library, will go and get them the one who is really interest and not the one who thinks that Criss angel is cool.

That's the difference.

As you said before: "The only people that will buy this are 14 year old boys who think Criss Angel is "really cool" and have some interest in magic."

And I come back to you with some examples: don't you think that its really bad for magic the fact that David Copperfield is really cool to find out his secrets.

Don't you think that because I find Paul Zennon cool I can find out how "out of this world" , or "center tear" works?

Do you think that because I like Blaine then I can learn how to levitate?


If I really think that Criss Angel is cool and have some interest in magic then I would make anything possible to go by myself to library or magic store and find out more about magic, instead of because I think the guy is cool, I can get his book learn the tricks show the book to my friends, parents, classmates, etc (cause the children that will get it will most of them definitively not respect the secrets).







You know what? If you're good you're good. No matter what. And trust me when I say this, most people don't really give a hoot about "magic secrets". They've got other things to worry about. I think magicians forget to realize that not everyone is as obsessed with this craft as us.
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If I try to do salt shaker through table for someone who saw Criss Angel expose it, it's not really going to matter much if they're "obsessed" with secrets or not. They aren't likely to forget that basic principle.
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Make your magic less "basic".
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OK, I know I will be kicked in the face for this one...but here goes.

I think sometimes, its FINE to let go of a trick and let the audience in. I know the reason I was interested in magic started when I learned an effect. Not only does teaching magic help PROMOTE THE ART, but it also gives you guys and me a challenge to come up with new methods, ideas and amazing effects.

I know I may sound stupid to everyone now. But magic is not just about the secrets. Yes, its a big part of it. But Magic is also about connecting and making the impossible happen. I HAVE taught effects to people, simple effects that make them want to learn more, and they have started into other areas of magic.

Honestly, I think Criss has done something great for our art, as has Blaine and ANY other magician. I am proud to say they are apart of what I do.

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How do you know my magic is basic? If you've read Steel and Silver you'll know Paul Gertner uses the salt shaker through table. Is his magic basic as well?
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You're the one that called it a basic principle.
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Guys are still using things exposed by the "masked magician". People have a short memory.

When they don't use the information, few will remember it.

I guess it is just more shocking to me that he does it. He tries to set himself apart from everyone else. He can't open his mouth without pointing out how different "he" is, and "he" does EXACTLY what others do. Forget the book it will come and go, but why he chooses to sell himself like that, when he should have enough is beyond me.

It is his absolute right to do so and it is great he makes money. It just lumps him in with everyone else.

Kind of like Kathy Griffen and "Life on the D List". She is now what she made fun of for so long. She is losing popularity huge. She became what she made fun of. Criss, is becoming what he claimed he wasn't and when the people who went to him because of what he was find out (Like ralpho2) they get upset.

Let's not attack each others magic or ideas, just put them out there. I am sure your magic isn't "basic" and I don't believe ralpho2 meant to imply it was. I believe he simply meant to grow some is all. Not a big deal.
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Guys are still using things exposed by the "masked magician". People have a short memory.

When they don't use the information, few will remember it.

I guess it is just more shocking to me that he does it. He tries to set himself apart from everyone else. He can't open his mouth without pointing out how different "he" is, and "he" does EXACTLY what others do. Forget the book it will come and go, but why he chooses to sell himself like that, when he should have enough is beyond me.

It is his absolute right to do so and it is great he makes money. It just lumps him in with everyone else.

Kind of like Kathy Griffen and "Life on the D List". She is now what she made fun of for so long. She is losing popularity huge. She became what she made fun of. Criss, is becoming what he claimed he wasn't and when the people who went to him because of what he was find out (Like ralpho2) they get upset.

Let's not attack each others magic or ideas, just put them out there. I am sure your magic isn't "basic" and I don't believe ralpho2 meant to imply it was. I believe he simply meant to grow some is all. Not a big deal.

Couldn't have said better myself. But you're never gonna let me off the hook for at one time defending that Jersey boy are you Doyle?
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I am sorry it was not a shot at you. Really. I was illustrating a point.

I will never mention it again.
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I know. I was only kidding.
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I agree that people do have short memories about the secrets that are exposed. It just irks me that Criss does it in such an arbitrary way. I can't see any reason for the exposure on his shows other than trying to fill a few minutes.

As for his book, what can you do? The real problem as I see it is that people interested in learning magic aren't going to be the ones buying it. Rather it'll be people interested in Criss Angel.

As to the whole basic thing, why get hung up on semantics? I didn't take any offense, just wanted some clarification. Peace.
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Then he should have published a book of his life. of his biography, his teen years, some pictures etc.

I agree that they will get it people that are interested in Criss Angel.

like David Beckam's book. he could have done the same for his fans, not to expose secrets
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Hey guys, let me say at the beginning I am opposed to ANY "blatant" exposure. I believe Frank Garcia made a few spins in his grave when JT exposed the three shell game on Mindfreak. My question is, "Is it ethical to expose or not?

What is most amazing to me when reading various comments and replies in this forum concerning exposure, is the number of well posted magicians who defend this practice and continue to expose methods of the art, themselves. I can remember when even the smallest of secrets were treated with respect and you would never be invited on the "inside" by real "workers" once you betrayed that trust.

What would be the reaction any major television or cable network having an "insider" appear on radio and television segments nationwide, expose the weekly episode endings and season finale of a muti-million dollar production such as 24 for example, one week before the premier air date?? Would they even make it on the air? Would people such as this be considered as great promoters of their product or company?

Look at what happened in the recent Coca Cola/PepsiCo situation when an employee of Coke tried to sell certain formulas to Pepsi. This was a complete backfire for the employee, whether they were disgruntled or just greedy!!

Not every effect that most magicians perform can have an expose`/double kicker ending to cancel out the method such as the "silk to egg".

Many have said in this forum that the secret isn't what it is all about. It is the presentation, the style, and talent of the presenter. While I do agree that all of these qualities are needed; they are needed to help hide the METHOD. Otherwise we as magicians and mentalists would be nothing more than storytellers and Mimes (referring to silent magic acts).

Unfortunately, exposure will continue, but my respect for those who insist on "giving it away for free" will not.

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I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and realized something while I was watching a magician perform a classic sponge ball routine the other day. Even though I knew the routine, and in the back of my mind knew the ins and outs of the effect, I was still completely fooled by the effect. Why? Because he was good. If we'd focus less on exposure and focused more on practice and perfecting our method, we'd accomplish more. Because even if we know what is going on before our eyes, most methods in magic are strong enough to still fool us if perfected.
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Smile I think he's got it! Now, if we can get all the other magicians here to think that way, and work on their presentation and not obsess over the fear of exposure...
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Your sarcasm is in full effect. But so is your idiocy. You must be one of those magicians that I talk of. The ones that don't have the skills to pay the bills. Sorry my friend. I really do hope things go better for you . . .
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