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Are their many vents that "do not" use a portable mic (ie. belt-mic) for walkaround vent performing situations?
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Hi Ony,

Thanks for warning me about the super glue. I'll ask Lou how to stick the mic on the figure.

I saw you doing the "voice in the cup" routine... first at the Toyota Motor Show then next at Musikero Café...although both went very well, I will have to say that the one in Musikero Café was more convincing since you used an extrta mic directly in front of the cup... thus when you turned the cup around, the volume of the sound emanating from the cup changed.

You also used an extra mic for the "ant in the cup" ...which made it really more convincing. Well, that's aside from the fact the you are really one heck of a great Ventriloquist Smile

I've seen great Vents who don't use extra mics for their figure and their acts are killers...but I don't think a dummy mic for a dummy will hurt Smile

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Hi Jonathan,

If one plans to do walkarounds with a puppet, I think the waistband amplifier makes great sense.

I'm not planning to do walkarounds but I would buy a waistband amplifier if I find one here just to help me practice without setting up my actual sound system...plus, I can use it when I show my puppets to my friends and house guests.

I saw one last December in a "Bazaar" but I didn't buy it because I was not yet into puppets then. I started working with puppets just less than a couple of months ago...

I'm going to a local "Electronics Haven " here in Manila next week. We call it RAON...I'm optimistic that I can find a waistband amplifier there. If the price is cheaper here including shipping to your place, I'll be happy to send you a unit if you want. If I find something less than $50 shipping included, I'll let you know.
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Hi Ony,

I'm starting to practice using a regular mic with the Gim-Crack.

If by next week I would be able to buy a mic stand, I'll start practicing with a regular mic on a mic stand as well.

Better be ready for all possible gig scenarios right?

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Thanks for you rkind offer Wanlu,

Let me know what you find. Nt sure how much the shippin gto Montreal would be, but I woould still like to know the details (quality of the system, and price).

Although it is a bit costly,I like the one that Lou directed me to via the link to Ronjo: http://www.ronjo.com/page/R/PROD/S/M010033

I will also start doing searches on e-bay and google for a good "sound" system, as Doug suggested.

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I would be interested to know if a 15 watt waistband system (like the one Harris uses) is recommended for walkaround/mingling ventriloquisim, witin a corporate cocktail setting, where 4 to 8 guests maximum at a time.

Would a 3 to 5 watt system be sufficient?

Does the 3-5 watt waistband system weigh less than the 15 watt waistband type system?

I believe that Hisonic makes both.

Please advise.

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Hmmm... one of our seasoned member was kind enough to point out that when he used the waistband model for walkaround venting, and kept the speaker psotioned on his backside, the sound appeared to be coming out of his.... "a_ _ hole".

Does ths mean that if the speaker system is positioned on the front-side of the performer, the sound will appear to come out from his _______ ....zipper ??!!!

Seems to be a no-win situation.

Perhaps I will simply need to project my voice more during walkaround situations where I often have to compete with ambiant noise (ie. nearby conversations, music from a nearby Jazz-trio, piped-in MUSAC, etc.)

Opinions?

Advice?
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One link to the Hisonic waistband (HS116 model,7 watts) system can be found at:
http://www.radios4you.com/hs-116-LG.html The weight of this system is not mentioned on this site, so I will need to do some more searching to find this specific info out.

One member has suggested the "Califone" waistband mic system is a lighter model than most. With the Califone, their 5 watt model is 19 ounces, and their 2 watt model is only 10 ounces... is 2 watts enough for walkaround with groups of 4-6 people around the ventrioquist?

Is anyone else familiar with this particular system?

http://www.schooloutfitters.com/catalog/....../PRO3832

From the specs and photo found on thier site, I find the shaope and size to be a bit awkward, I prefer the waistband Hisonic design, and would like to position such a system on my front-side to look like a magicians "card pouch" or money belt. However, it was also pointed out that if a waistband system is positioned at the fron, there is feedback caused by its proximity to the mic.

To resolve the feedback issue, it was recommended to position the speaker system on the performer's backside, which results in a muffled sound (it under a coat) or the sound seeming to come form the amgician's a_ _ hole...

Any recommendations to avoid the feedback issue and /or the "Row, row row your boat" effect?
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The MiPro system has also been recommended. Although it is significantly more costly, it is said to be a much better quality system.

However, when I try to do a google search for a MiPro waistband product,I cannot seem to find one. Perhaps MiPro does not make a waistband product.


Posted: Oct 6, 2006 8:40pm
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My apologies to Wanlu (and others)for shifting this particular thread, entitled, "When you practice your vent act", into a thread focussed more on my particular interests in the value of purchasing a waistband mic system for walkaround venting.

Please not that I have "turned myself in" to the Magic Café Authorities, asking them to go easy on me and to consider making the extra efforts needed to shift my questions and all relevant responses over to a new posting entitled: Mingling Vent work: the value of waistband portable sound systems".

Hopefully this new Posting will be created and Wnlu's important discussion on how to prepare for vent act can continue on track.

Thanks to everyone visiting Wanlu's thread for your patience and understanding, and for the many excellent responses to my waistband related concerns.

Sincerely,

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Please note that I have copied and pasted our discussion on Mingling Vent Work: waistband Portable Sound Systems, under its very own category.

To view this new positing and continue our discussion on this particular subject please click on the following link:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......82&0

I will notify the Magic Café Staff, requesting that they all delete postings on the waistband topic from Wanlu's current thread, "When you Practice your Vent Act".

Hopefully, Wanlu's topic and discussion can continue,and stay on track.

Sincerely,

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No Problem Jonathan Smile
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BTW, if I do find a cheap one I will let you know and probably email you some pictures as well.

BTW...a cheaper unite might not be as strong as the expensive ones Smile

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Correct, Wanlu, better practice with a standard mic and mic stand for your possible night club gigs. It's easier to set up this way in clubs, unlike head-worn mics.

You noticed that I didn't use an additional mic when I was using my figures, but I used one when doing the novelty acts (the "ant/glass and glass/echo" bits).

While it's true that an additional mic better the illusion, I don't always put an additional mic (on a stand) for my figure BECAUSE IT PARTLY BLOCKS THE FIGURE. In terms of priority, I would opt that the audience sees my figure clearly and watch my manipulation.

Although at times, I use two live mics also.
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BTW, using or not using a PA system (such as the waistband type) during vent walkarounds is a much debated topic.

I would not use one during vent walkarounds, because I believe walkarounds should be a person-to-person, one-on-one (or one in front of a VERY few people) "show". No need to amplify the voice, just IMHO. It's like talking briefly to a person or small group, one at a time.

That would make it more personal.
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Fantastically insightful point Ony.
I too like the intimcy of doing walkaround vent work without a mic.

It's been more than 30 years since I last did my vent work (I was 15 years old at teh tiem), Having only recently taken my Danny O'Day figure out of moth balls to bring him back to life in front of an adult audience has been great fun.

I just find that as I near age 50, my vocal chords are beginning to quiver and strain against competing nearby sounds (ie. adjacent conversation, jazz trio music, etc.) and thus tire more easily. Perhaps I am not using my diaphram muscles effectively to project my voice (like I dis in "the old days").

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Nice point regarding the extra mic Ony...I've seen plenty of vent acts and the good ones really don't have extra mics in front of their figures...
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I just saw Willie Tyler and Lester on the Letterman show! I'd forgotten how good he (they) were. Lester had a little microphone on his jacket! Also, in the music number, he swayed and waved his arms to the music!
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Hi Mandrake,

I saw a small mic at Ebay...its a small lapel mic with foam, I think that will work. Ill just clip it on my figures shirt Smile

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If you have time, please check out my short act...not much but I hope you'll like it. Do let me know if you have suggestions please Smile

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Quote:
On 2006-10-22 08:45, Wanlu wrote:
Hi Mandrake,

I saw a small mic at Ebay...its a small lapel mic with foam, I think that will work. Ill just clip it on my figures shirt Smile

Thanks

Wanlu


I didn't think it would have to be a "real" mike, just something to give the people a reason why the figure's voice <also> sounds amplified.

Of course, I'm just talking out of my hat! Smile I don't do vent work myself, I don't have the patience.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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