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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If only they were sceptics.
Not even sophists. They seem more dogmatic and unwilling to take a flea bath.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
... merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If life was but a dream it would be cool. I could dream that I had a royal flush right now and win this pot.
Sadly we get to a reality by agreement and them that don’t agree with my dream have just given the pot to the trip 3s. A "magician" is by my definition “anyone” that plays the part of a magician. So “magician” is not a “title” that you earn by merit like Doctor but merely the name of a character. Although you might have an opinion that certain people don’t deserve the part you can‘t have an opinion that the part does not exist for them. That would be like saying actors who play Hamlet badly should not use the name Hamlet!
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-09-22 10:10, tommy wrote: And offstage they are? And what about those who don't do tricks for others?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
And offstage they are? “They” (the people who have played the part of the magician) are people who have played the part of a magician.
And what about those who don't do tricks for others? They are people who have not played the part of a magician. Elementary my dear Watson! The part of the magician is always there for those who chose to play it. If for example a father pretends to take a coin from his child’s ear, is he not playing the part of a magician for the child? When he does that, you could put him on the same scale as all magicians to way him up, but what will you weight him against? Some great heavyweight magician? Or his child’s reaction, who might remember that magic moment all his life but might never react with such wonder to the great magician. Would the great magician tell this child that his father is not a magician? If he did I think this great magician would be a great ***.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I almost agree Tommy.
That part is archytypal. Though I feel the definition of magic implied in your posts is also too narrow. When we make Santa real for children, we are acting as magicians. When we create a belief which structures or alters the structure of someone's reality we are acting as magicians. Coins and cards are nice safe places to explore the mechanics of magic.
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P.T. Murphy Loyal user 224 Posts |
In Rounds? This section next...Row, Row, Row Your boat...okay you on the west coast...
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Jerrine Special user Busking is work. 629 Posts |
Why do they call it rounds when they are sung by squares. Not that being square is a bad thing. Some of my best friends are squares. I'm a bit rectangular even.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
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On 2006-09-22 14:05, Jonathan Townsend wrote: When we make Santa real for children they don’t know it is a lie. When a Magician makes Magic real for children, etc they know it is a lie. That is a big difference! As I see it, magicians do not change someone's reality. The magician merely shows that he can deceive a reality. Bearing in mind that a reality is arrived at by consensus. i.e. When a deck has been shuffled it is in chaos, and that is the reality, because it is the consensus. When the magician shuffles the deck and shows that it is not in chaos, the reality does not change, as it is still the consensus that when a deck has been shuffled, it is in chaos. They simply don’t know how the magician deceived that reality. What say you to that oh wise one?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
After a coffee and some reflection: The magician doesn’t deceive the reality of course. He shows he can defy the reality. That is possibly a better way to say it.
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
This conversation is as dumb as "Manlaw". There are many real issues to be discussed and this community always gravitates to semantics. If you have to debate with your audience over what your title is, you are doing it wrong.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-09-24 08:01, tommy wrote:...When we make Santa real for children they don’t know it is a lie. ... Ah... a raw nerve for many folks. Let's carefully step back from that before folks change the nouns and ... Remember the game of peek-a-boo? How far have we really come?
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2006-09-24 10:26, JackScratch wrote: We would use other things than semantics if we could communicate with things other than words on this forum. We can't. So we use words. When we use words, there are things that we must do before we can enter into a logical discussion. One is to define terms. That's part of semantics. It's part of logic.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I am not sure if it’s moronic or oxymoronic to say a conversation is dumb but whatever it is, you're quite welcome to it, uh, …Mr Scratch.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-09-25 07:28, tommy wrote: All textual dialog(ue) is dumb, unless you count the voice in your head as you read it. I believe this is more complex than discussing the subjective experience of "red" in that "magic" requires both a strong association / confidence in the expected behavior and condition of things, and then an application of external will to those things. It's not about how you feel watching peter pan fly. It's all about how you feel when a magician asks a child up from the audience, sprinkles them with fairy dust and then the child spends the next ten minutes flying around the theater till they are lured down by a parent and the magician takes a brush and removes the last traces of fairy dust.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
`Well, it's no use your talking about waking him,' said Tweedledum, `when you're only one of the things in his dream. You know very well you're not real.'
Sound itself only exists when it's in your head.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Might there be a market for a book:
Everything I needed to learn about magic was found in Lewis Carol's Stories ?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I have a book called The Magic of Lewis Carol.
This site looks at some stuff we can learn from Lewis Carol's Stories; http://www.sabian.org/Alice/alice16mj.htm Do you think that relates to magic? I would be obliged if you or any one could sum-up, in simple terms, what the guy is saying because it’s a lttle too heavy for me.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Good place to start: http://www.sabian.org/philosophy/sabphil.htm
After one has chosen to become a magician, oracles will abound. His choice for the lecture series was sensible. But does it also taint the work?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Well it does seem to spoil the enjoyment if it a bit. I thought it might help me think like Carol and that is what I would like do. What do you think would help someone do that?
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