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Shawn Farquhar
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Just checking to see if you folks are really starting to discuss the method behind a marketed effect/gag that is still comercially available. I'm sure that was not the purpose for which the Café was originally created.

Jarle Leirpoll created the gag. Chad Long made it popular throughout North America. I created the magic effect and another person, "inspired" by my lecture at a PCAM in Palm Springs marketed "Five Finger Discount".

There is no reason to ask or offer explanations for an effect/gag you can purchase. This is not the reason the Café was created ...
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On 2007-10-13 10:04, Flying Magus wrote:
So how does the dealer item one attach? Can anyone fill us in?


As Shawn has pointed out, I overstepped the line a little with that question. Please accept my apology.
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Sorry Shawn,

I never saw it as a problem since the effect is more of a gag than an effect. I was not aware that someone claimed the IP to this. My mistake - sorry!
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I thought the Café was Here to Help Others. but if a Creator is Going to be like That. I won't bother Buying it or using it.
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Hi guys,

I appreciate your understanding that a discussion of the workings is not in the best interest of anyone except maybe Donster who obviously has never created an original idea and just doesn't get it.

I love the way Donster uses the excuse of the Café being "here to help others". I believe the correct slogan would be "magicians helping magicians", which is something I have done all my life. I will continue to help magicians who deserve help and will ignore those that just don't get it. Thanks Magus and Micheal for your understanding. The gag is not mine, just the effect. A discussion on the gag itself is fair game. As for Donster I would hope you would never buy or use my effects...they are for professionals...

Cheers,

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Uh Shawn I have come up with Original Ideas Myself. do a Search and you'll find out that I came up with a Back Pack Escape Back in 2003 and no one to this Day has Duplicated it. I have also given Ideas to Professionals who have used my ideas and Liked them. The Magic Café Also Has Spots for Juggelers Clowns and Even Escape Artists. and I'm in Two Magic Clubs Here in Wisconsin.
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Shawn, Thanks for your creativity..My use is along different lines than your thinking. I think I saw you at a few conventions.(I don't get to many..one was back in 03 at the KC IBM Big Convention. Along with the Home Store story will go the weekend's event and my new magic wand..a concrete gunk tube and a application gun..(that's what I call it..instead of a thingamagig.) along with my black and decker power screw driver and washers instead of coins...I call them brain washers..

Not that he needs defending...Seems as if Donald was leading people to buy the Tagged effect...

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Harris You Are Correct As Always. the Tag is a Great Ideal but it Has a Lot of Ideas/Uses for it. remember people have to get a trick that they like. and make it fit their Charecter this can include changing the story and even the patter.
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Seems to me like paying for a prop made right, is the best approach to take, plus it shows respect to the authorized dealer / inventor / creator of the effect. Even if you use it for the sake of a gag, rather than for a great trick.

- Donald
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Hi Donald,

Thanks for your input. As usual you are wiser than most. Harris sounds like you have a great routine and I loved the Home Store story... I had a similar event at a Victoria Secret's in Vegas after rushing out of my lecture at the World Magic Seminar to do a little shopping for my wife...well actually anything bought at Victoria Secret's is a gift to me too!

Dear Donster, Read the banner at the top of this page... "Magicians helping Magicians" You even say that you created an original effect that "to this day not been duplicated"...imagine if a thread were to start to discuss the method used to accomplish your effect so other could create it themselves to the point that you the originator(that's you) is no longer even part of the "loop". That's not what the Café was meant to do...others here recognized this...how about you...

My two cents...http://www.leirpoll.com/ is a genius....

Shawn
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Shawn I have READ it and Have Been Helping Here Since I have Started.
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Stories from real life play better than ones borrowed.(at least for me)

(and that's no "Secret")

Annie and I don't visit that store...but one day while walking the "mall"...I quipped, Do you want to know Victoria's Secret...Anorexia....(which really is not a joke but a serious disease....Comedy by it's nature can be offensive to someone...but I diiiiiiigress.

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Harris,

Comedy is such an odd creature. What one person finds hillarious another will find offensive.

I live by the thought....if you can't laugh at yourself, you're just not getting the joke...

Donster,

Just drop it... you are so far of the original topic. I get it. You don't plan to buy anything from me because I asked nicely if the folks here would not discuss the method for my effect on an open forum. Funny thing is the others all PM'd to say they understood...and you the one person not really in the loop until my post is the only one keeping the issue alive. Geez 4000+ post on the Café... you must have helped hundreds of people...I bow down at your wisdom. Now I'm moving on ...

To Everyone else,

Thanks for the respect you give our craft. I've got to get ready for my show now ... Can't keep 2000 folks waiting too long...they get loud and rowdy!

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Shawn I'm not going to Drop it. and who knows maybe I was thinking of buying something from you. but the way your Attitude is its Bad for Customer Service. I see no Harm in anyone Discussing it. all I see is that by discussing it that its a way of getting More People to buy it From You.
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My heavens you a persistent person aren't you?
I now understand why you have so many posts ..

Lets review:

TOPIC #1

a) You wrote in your first post:

"... if a Creator is Going to be like That. I won't bother Buying it or using it."

b) You wrote in your last post:

"...who knows maybe I was thinking of buying something from you."

Conclusion: You don't even read your own posts...

TOPIC #2

a) You wrote in your in your first post:

"I thought the Café was Here to Help Others"

b) I responded:

" I believe the correct slogan would be "magicians helping magicians". " This was to stress the fact that "Others" is not correct. This is an open forum and we have other places to discuss method other than an unsecure area of the Café.

c) You replied in your next post:

"The Magic Café Also Has Spots for Juggelers Clowns and Even Escape Artists. and I'm in Two Magic Clubs Here in Wisconsin."

Not sure why you would post this but good of you to do your research ...

d) Now, not knowing what you were trying to say but assuming you meant this forum wasn't just for magicians, although it is called the "Magic Café" I replied:

"Read the banner at the top of this page... "Magicians helping Magicians" You even say that you created an original effect that "to this day not been duplicated"...imagine if a thread were to start to discuss the method used to accomplish your effect so other could create it themselves to the point that the originator(that's you) is no longer even part of the "loop". That's not what the Café was meant to do...others here recognized this...how about you..."

You should note I accepted the fact you created an original idea and then I tried to explain to you as best as I could that you too should understand the importance of the secret. I asked you to imagine yourself in my place. If you were to read an open forum disscusion on the secret of your effect. To this I expected you to understand ...but surprise...

e) You replied to my plea for understanding:

"Shawn I have READ it and Have Been Helping Here Since I have Started."
Well I am happy to hear you have been here since "you" started.

f) So realizing I was having a discussion with a person of superior intelligence I submitted to the fact that this would not end with either party conceding. With this in mind I asked you to "drop it". In fact I wrote:

" Just drop it... you are so far of the original topic. I get it. You don't plan to buy anything from me because I asked nicely if the folks here would not discuss the method for my effect on an open forum. Funny thing is the others all PM'd to say they understood...and you the one person not really in the loop until my post is the only one keeping the issue alive. Geez 4000+ post on the Café... you must have helped hundreds of people...I bow down at your wisdom. Now I'm moving on ... "

Points to note:

1) I asked you to stop.
2) I noted you had no intention of buying from me
3) I pointed out that the people the post was in fact directed at all agreed it wasn't correct.

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Sorry Shawn,

I never saw it as a problem since the effect is more of a gag than an effect. I was not aware that
someone claimed the IP to this. My mistake - sorry!
Michael Kent
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As Shawn has pointed out, I overstepped the line a little with that question. Please accept my apology.

Magically yours,

Michel Fouché
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4) I conceded the fact you are vastly superior to me in all the help you must have given in your 4000+ posts

5) In conclusion I "bowed down" to your wisdom

6) I hoped you would actually read the whole post and oh I don't know...maybe drop it!

g) You replied:

"Shawn I'm not going to Drop it. and who knows maybe I was thinking of buying something from you. but the way your Attitude is its Bad for Customer Service. I see no Harm in anyone Discussing it. all I see is that by discussing it that its a way of getting More People to buy it From You."

h) Here's my response:

1) "who knows maybe I was thinking of buying something from you." I know you were'nt because I would sell anything to you and you, being a man of your word already told me in your first post you weren't going to buy it anyways.

2) Customer Service? Do you have the idea I am a store? I am a profesional magician who makes a full time living entertaining thousands of individuals weekly on one of the finest cruise vessels in the world. I have appeared on countless TV show, Galas and motion pictures. I have performed for Royalty and Statesmen around the globe and that $20 you aren't going to spend is going to make me have to change my travel plans and stay at a La Quinta.

3) You will never see the harm in discussing secrets and all the writing in the world will never change how you feel. I can tell you though that when a secret is known by all ...it's not a secret. When it isn't a secret anymore that when no one will buy it or perform it anymore...

******

And now I will retire from the Café for awhile to enjoy my preparations here on the ship to do my show as we sail toward sunny Accapulco, Mexico. Your name forever etched in my mind ...

I look forward to reading the response I am seceretly hoping you don't write...but I know in my heart you will surprise me.

Sincerely,

Shawn Farquhar
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Creator of Tagged, MatriXpress, Egg, Lemon Balloon, Photo-Finish ... and a whole lot more secrets ..
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I still don't see any Harm in Discussing it here. I'm sure some people would like to get Different Ideas as to how to perform/present it. like you Said Magicians HELPING Magicians there miight be even some Beginners here wanting to get a New Trick or to Better Theirselves. as in another Case we should All Get Along Here and Help Each other Out. not Evreyone is a Professional some are just a Hobbyist. need I go on.
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I might be missing something here, but why would you want to discuss the secret / the handling / the routining of an item that you don't own (and indicated that you don't intend to buy)?

Is it just to know the secret? Or is it to make it for yourself (piracy)?

Those are both against the Café rules, as far as I know.

Donster, you have already admitted Shawn is the "creator" of the effect, and so logically, it isn't a public domain item. You can't just make it for yourself because you can figure out a method.

- Donald
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I'm Trying to Encourage the People Discussing Using it as to what they Use it on or Ideas as to how to Present it. I'm not Asking it to be Tipped Just Trying to encourage More People to Help Out.
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