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stepp6670 New user 28 Posts |
I am looking for a coin bucket to be able to do Misers Dream. Any suggestions on where to find one that isn't to expensive? thanks guys..
joey stepp http://www.steppshowbartending.com |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Does it need be gaffed? There are nice pails in the craft stores.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
Try the housewares department of K-Mart or Wal-Mart, and look for a metal container that's used to hold kitchen utensils on top of the stove. It should be at least 5 inches in diameter and 7-10 inches deep, although you may need something wider or deeper, depending on your own hands.
With luck, you should be able to pick up something for under $10. Take some quarters or half dollars with you to make sure the pail is good and loud when you drop coins in it. Aluminum is OK, chromed steel is better, and stainless steel would probably be the most durable. If you find one you like, buy two so you'll have a spare. If you have access to a kitchen supply store (they stock restaurants, bars, etc.), go there and ask for a "bain marie." This is used to keep sauces warm in steam tables, but it also makes a great Miser's Dream pail. You can also try any hardware store for a metal pail or bucket (the kind with a curved semi-circular handle). The advantage here is that it really is just a plain old pail and doesn't look suspicious; just make sure it's not too heavy. Once again, $10-15 should do the trick. If you want to take the lazy way out, you can also get a very nice Miser's Dream pail from Magic, Inc. for about $30, click HERE for more info. SETH
"Watch the Professor!!" -- Al Flosso (1895-1976)
"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC |
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Who sells some good gimmicked buckets?
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stepp6670 New user 28 Posts |
Yeah, I'm looking for a gimmicked bucket that has the ring around the top to load coins.
thanks for all the help joey http://www.steppshowbartending.com |
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
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On 2006-09-25 16:13, stepp6670 wrote: I'd like to know who sells that type of bucket as well. Any help, please? Regards, Steve
"Impossible? Your audience will think so..." TM
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Owen Magic. And others... but gee, who needs a gimmicked bucket with routines like Charlie Miller's and other, like Flosso and Jeff McBride that just use a plain bucket. The dang trick is so easy to do it is rediculous. The only hard part is the ACTING AND PRESENTATION.
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
The only hard part is the ACTING AND PRESENTATION.
Which you still need to do with an over priced gaff bucket! Mike |
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
One consideration about gaffed buckets is weight -- a fully loaded bucket can be quite heavy, even if you use palming coins instead of real ones.
That can be tough to pull off, particularly when you're holding a bucket that's supposed to be light and empty, but isn't. It also may make the bucket more difficult to hold and handle during the trick itself. SETH
"Watch the Professor!!" -- Al Flosso (1895-1976)
"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC |
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
I'm looking to do a slightly different version of the Miser's Dream. I would like to show the bucket empty and then ask the children in the audience to "pluck out a coin from thin air and throw it in the bucket." As each child throws their "coin" to me, I catch it in the bucket with a "clunk" and dump out the coins after the last child throws me their coin. I don't want my hands near the opening of the bucket when the clunk happens. I'm not sure how this could be accomplished without the type of bucket mentioned above (I've never seen one advertised like that and it sounds like that is exactly what I would need). Suggestions? Thanks.
Regards, Steve
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Having seen many great performers do the Miser's Dream, Charlie Miller, Al Flosso, McBride, et al, I don't think it is necessary to do it like you suggest.
Nobody in the audience cares that you are holding the bucket. But if you want one to do what you say, I would guess you would be in around $1,000 for a remote setup. It would not be worth it.
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
Yikes!!!
Regards, Steve
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
I found a good bucket here http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php......p;page=1
I have to say I'm surprised at the strong recommendations to avoid using a gaffed bucket by so many seasoned pros. It's usually the new and the amateur that are so quickly anti-gaff, and who feel that one should do a routine just like it's been done for decades. Thanks goodness Dean Dill didn't feel like Chink-a-Chink and Shadow Coins were too good to mess with before he created Explosion. Thank goodness Cyril didn't think Explosion was good enough before he created his Miser's Dream from bare hands. WIth all due respect, I have seen both Jeff McBride's and Al Flosso's routine, and while very cute, they are not the kind of magic routines that my audience expects, or will be entertained by. Please don't get me wrong, They are a lot of fun, and very sweet. But it's very important for a full-time pro to know his audience, and be willing to think outside the box when necessary to keep performing magic at the level is audience expects. I can't afford to have a bias either for or against gaffs. I just need to learn, and when necessary create, magic using whatever means necessary that will entertain my audiences. And as a quick search of IMBD or Google will confirm, I have a little experience in the acting and presentation department. I think I'll be alright in that regards. But I do treasure your suggestions. I do consider many of you to be elders and mentors, so I will take what you say under consideration, and would like to know what you think of the thoughts I've posted here. |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Hmmmmmmm... you say, "WIth all due respect, I have seen both Jeff McBride's and Al Flosso's routine, and while very cute, they are not the kind of magic routines that my audience expects, or will be entertained by. Please don't get me wrong, They are a lot of fun, and very sweet."
I disagree (With all due respect). Those routines are not just CUTE and SWEET... they have been honed over thousands of performances and have entertained audiences of every description... worldwide... from live theaters to TV.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Joey,
I do have a very well-made coin (ice / champaign) bucket. It is not here at the ranch but at our other house (Collinwood) and I cannot photograph it for you. It is a professional prop with two (half dollar) coin droppers built in. I think it holds a couple of dozen coins. It is not a cheap one. Email me if it interests you. Since I don't work in cigarette smoke anymore, I seldom get to use it. There are many routines that don't require a gimmicked bucket. It is even possible to do the routine with a glass. A real bonus is finding a glass with a recessed bottom. Anchor Hocking makes them for commercial food businesses. When you find them, there are cases of them. Good luck! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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John Bowlin Special user Maryland 827 Posts |
I have yet to see a misers gaff bucket that doesn't scream gaff. I use plenty of gaffs in my magic but not ones that take what should look like an ordinary item and make it look like a magic prop. I get such incredible reactions with my $5 walmart stainless steel bucket(looks like same one Jeff McBride uses). Misers dream is such a performance piece. If anyone ever doubts the magic of performance over effect I encourage them to watch a clip of Wayne Dobson ENTERTAIN hundreds of people from stage with 2 sponge balls. If you don't like McBrides or Flosso's routine make up your own, I'm sure they will both be way ok with that. I can't say that I do a routine where my hands never enter the bucket but I do hand out the bucket for examination while showing both hands empty. Great performers often blur the line between what an audience sees and what they think they see.
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
John,
What does this have to do with an argument of performance over effect. What a tragic choice to have to make. I sure hope we can have both all the time. I think it's too off-topic, so I won't respond any more here. I posted something in the food for thought area. I would love to hear what you think of it, as I respect you all very much. Pete, what's wrong with cute and sweet? Isn't that what Flosso was going for? I didn't mean to sound demeaning. I just meant that it was wholesome and family-friendly. Meant to make people say "awwh, how sweet and cute." That's a certain effect. I believe it would be inappropriate and artistically irresponsible for everyone who performs to go for the same effect. |
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karbonkid Special user 951 Posts |
I think you misstep is what you are saying about the audience. I don't feel that either of the aforementioned routines would fail to entertain your audience or anyone elses for that matter, as good magic is good magic, and bad magic is bad magic.
But, I don't think your musical analogy really holds up. I would see that Wayne Newton v. Skynryd thing, and I think that is a legit comparison, however, anything we do in magic is based on something else. For example, the Miser's Dream routine. It's been done for a very very long time, and Al Flosso's and McBride's versions would be the musical equivalent of Clay Aiken or Hall & Oates covering Jingle Bell Rock. Song is the same, however the presentation of the song is different by each artist...just as the effect is the same but your presentation is going to be different. I do have to ask this, however, are you more concerned about doing this routine for you or for your audience? As magicians we fall into the trap of doing routines for ourselves and not for our audience, and whether your audience sees you with a gaff bucket, or a non gaff bucket, or Flosso's routine, or McBride's routine, it should still be coins coming from nowhere, and materializing in a bucket. At the end of the day, or the end of the show, that is what they leave with. |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Karbonkid,
As an old personal manager and booking agent, I frequently cut acts loose when they developed the disease you are suggesting. The minute an "artist" started talking about devoting time to "developing his art" instead of appealing to an audience, he was out of business on the pro circuit. The best of agents were wasting their time and reputations to try to help book him. Pros work for the audience. Hobbyist work for themselves. It's OK to be either. But they have very little in common. The last person you want to fool is yourself. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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karbonkid Special user 951 Posts |
Bob,
I totally get that. I think there is a place where there is art, and there is business...and to be honest the two have very little, if anything in common. It's my opinion that once one is brought into the other, one ceases to be. For example if you are producing art and you decide to involve it to a business, it becomes less about the making of art and more about making a business...and on the other hand, if you have a business and you start to produce art, it becomes more about the art and less about the business. Hence, the audience, hopefully, comes to see magic. They could care less if you are down's p***ing the coins or ba****ipping them, if you are telling a story about your grandfather, or if you tell it about a nice man you met in the HOR may years ago, so long as it's entertaining, and magical, and relevant people will enjoy it. |
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