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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
Just stumbled upon this. Looks like Erick Castle has created a nice version of Mislead without a gimmicked pen or pencil. Anyone purchased this yet?
Here's the link: http://www.vinnymarini.com/product/rpd.html
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VcosNJ Inner circle 1179 Posts |
Wow! That looks great! And impromptu too! Unfortunately, I'm short on funds right now. I'd love to hear a review myself.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
The demo speaks for its self what you see is what you get.
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
Is it impromptu? The ad doesn't say that.
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CharlieC Elite user 488 Posts |
There is an impromptu handling where everything is borrowed.
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Castle2369 Loyal user Boston, MA 207 Posts |
Cfrancis,
Thanks for your interest in my bill/penetration effect, I think you would really enjoy how fun and easy RPD is to perform. Best Regards, -Erick
Creator of the Gallerian Bend
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
PMed you, Erick.
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jbadman Special user London 985 Posts |
Looks very similar to an old version I was taught years back - which I *think* was from Apocalypse though I'll have to search through it to find out for sure. Not for me to reveal the method here in order to compare - but it looks as though it's identical to be honest...
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Castle2369 Loyal user Boston, MA 207 Posts |
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On 2006-09-27 12:22, jbadman wrote: Hello Jamie, I have based RPD on various older-concepts actually, but generally speaking what effect isn't inspired from something before. I've created RPD with a strong and practical-application of a simple-idea, I have no-doubt that RPD is unique. The way in which RPD happens and the subtle-moves which I've put to use, this making-it very different then anything in past publications. Thanks for checking-out my work, and perhaps it will inspire you to purchase RPD as well. Best Regards, -Erick
Creator of the Gallerian Bend
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magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
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On 2006-09-27 12:22, jbadman wrote: You are correct the first phase looks exactly like what was in Apocalypse. |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
Just because a effect looks exactly alike or is very similar does not mean the method is the same,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
Vinny,
You are correct in what you are saying about the effect. Do you know the method of the trick that was in Apocalypse? Has anyone compare the two methods? Magico |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
Magico no I do not know the effect in APOCALYPSE. I am going to the MGIC CASTLE LIBRABRY tomorrow.....and Iwill post my findings,
I have not heard from J Badman I requested info from him. vinny |
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solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
Watching the video, I find the first effect quite impressive. Though some handling of the bill leaves me skeptical, it is very convincing and baffling.
The second effect doesn't seem to fit my style and probably needs some work from my point of view which makes me feel that the 15 bucks is a little steep. Just my opinion...I am contemplating this as an alternative to my pen through anything.
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magico Special user Connecticut 862 Posts |
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On 2006-09-29 00:00, vinsmagic wrote: Sent you a PM |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Why do people keep coming on the Café and making generalized statements like: "Your effect looks exactly like the "ABC" effect", or, "Your effect looks similar to the "ABC" effect"?
IMHO, these types of comments are not very productive and only go to prove that the person making the statement does not own both items and/or has not seen both methods. Why so? Because if he did own both or if he seen both methods he could (and would) then make a definitive statement about each item and whether or not they are, in fact, identical. There are hundreds of Ambitious Card effects? So what? When a person comes on and says "Your AC handling looks similar to ABC's AC handling", what does this prove? DUH! I would expect most AC routines to look like most other AC routines. I'd expect that most cut & restored rope routines would look substanially like most other cut & restored rope routines. Similarly, I'd expect most pencil thru dollar bill effect to look like most all the other pencil thru dollar bill effects. IMHO, with most "general" effects, the real question should be "Is the methodology the same or substantially similar"? Now, that said, if an effect itself is unique (like a floating mid-air link between 10" linking rings or linking floating soap bubbles), than both the effect and the method should be out of bounds for all persons other than the originator. But for general effects (including pencil thru dollar bill), the effect should not be out of bounds for subsequent magicians unless he uses the identical (or a substantially similar) method as that used by a predecessor. Just, IMHO. Mike
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Castle2369 Loyal user Boston, MA 207 Posts |
Mike,
This is a very-good point, thank you for bringing this up. I think what's most important is bringing-fourth a more practical if not a entirely different effect all together. This sometimes is not the case, a method could be altered then changed with modified-improvements for achieving a similar-looking effect in result. My goal in magic/mentalism is never to go about something negatively, I always try and visualize other unique-ways to achieve certain things and sometimes I stumble across something very-powerful and this would inspire me for wanting either to improve a effect by trying in some-way to evolve-it in a sense, then of course there's always a chance in creatively making a similar effect that's entirely-fresh and new in result. This being said despite the concept behind RPD is not entirely-revoultionary, I think you'll still enjoy this bill/penetration it's very easy to perform and I’ve put-together some wonderful subtleties for this effect. Best Regards, -Erick
Creator of the Gallerian Bend
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
What's wrong with the second phase. I think it looks pretty great.
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2006-09-29 11:38, cfrancis wrote: Cfrancis, Is your question directed to my post (two above your post) where I stated: ""Your effect looks exactly like the "ABC" effect", or, "Your effect looks similar to the "ABC" effect"? If so, I'm not certain how to respond--especially where, in the same statement, you state that you think that Erik's effect "looks pretty great". The point of my post was to comment that where people, in a 'drive-by" generalized critique just throw out a phrase like "Your effect looks similar to the 'ABC Effect'" in a presumed effort to imply that the later effect is not original and is a copy of the prior effect and that there was not even any proper crediting. What I'm suggesting is that such criticisms are, at the very least, unfair to the 2nd magic creator. If I understand your above comment, you are not intending criticism of Erick or his new effect. Rather, you are intending to give Erick a compliment by stating how good his effect seems and that it is so good that it looks as good as a similar, highly thought-of effect. That's fine. I have no problem with such comments if they are intended to be complimentary in nature and if they clearly convey that meaning. But what I am disturbed about is seeing people taking generalized pot-shots at new creators by making comments that can only be reasonabley construed to imply that that effect is possibly a copy or rip-off of a prior published original and/or that possibly the 2nd person had no ethical right to publish his subsequent creation. And the reason I find such comments objectionable is because such comments give no specifics that support such proposition(s) and, in the end only hurt the 2nd creator by generalized innuendo and no firm facts supporting the nebulous proposition(s) being asserted. These generalized comments are, at the very least, unfair to the 2nd creator. I'm all for giving proper credit to those who "came before us" in the lineage of an effect. I'm also all for not buying rip-offs or blatant copies of an original. And I applaud all of us who bring such incidents to the magic community's attention provided that they do so with specificity so that each of us can examine the facts, properly evaluate the claim and then reach our own conclusion. In other words, so that we can examine the claim, charges and allegation on the merits. But, to cast generalized aspersion on a person and his integrity and to not give specifics of how that person might have violated the magic code of ethics is, at the very least, not fair to the 2nd creator. Just some musings that are rattling around in my head as I keep seeing these "non-specific" types of allegations seemingly appearing with more and more frequency on the Café. Mike
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
I was not responding to your post, Turk. My post was in response to solrak29 who said the second phase didn't look so hot. Sorry about the confusion.
As far as crediting goes, I don't know the origins of the effect so I will not comment on that. I happen to agree with you, though.
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