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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Thanks but that is not what the OP wants.
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On 2006-09-29 00:37, Magicjg wrote: It is cheap and easy to make ring punch or tie punch for impromtu magic after all it is just a pin. I think the cost of puches are a too much for what they are.
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C-Taylor Loyal user 261 Posts |
I use the edge of my thumb nail ( on the fly) or if I have time I'll take a thumb tack and a hard surface ( like a metal plate or metal thimble) and put it in. I prefer the later cause you can't see it and it doesn't break through the card.
I also use the punch with a push off. CT
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I don't know if the punch is worth learning... for magical purposes.
For cheating- yes. Learning for the sake of learning? Yes. Magic- no. In an impromptu setting you would have to locate the cards you wanted and punch them. This takes time, and if you have the time and the cover to search for cards (either covertly or in the open) you could set up other killer demos. Second, what effect would you perform? If you deal yourself a pat hand there is a chance that you WON'T see all the targets. Dealing two aces from a shuffled deck (in a five card hand) isn't as impressive as dealing 4 aces from a deck you shuffled (and you don't need a punch for that). Saying that, Darwin has a KILLER trick in Scams and Fantasies where various people shuffle a deck and he deals out several hands, ending up with a royal flush. Works everytime, but you need a certain number of spectators to make it fly...
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C-Taylor Loyal user 261 Posts |
Ben I disagree and agree with what you say. First some references. Check out if you haven't Marlo in spades, along with Marlo mag #4 and #5. Second you can put the work in as you do other tricks then wait awhile and do your demo. Imo having the spec shuffle and cut as many times as they want and then you deal your self a full house or what while not looking at the deck ever, goes over extremely well. Yes as a magical stand point there are other ways of accomplishing it, but Im glad I'm putting time in on the punch.
my 2 cents
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Ben, the target cards thing is always an issue when you can't see what the deck is set up like after the shuffle.
We've discussed previously that with a deck of factory edge readers, you can tell before you deal what's going to happen with the target cards, and then shuffle a few more times if it looks like target's are forming slugs as opposed to being distributed evenly. All of this is essentially Jeff Busby's "Secret of the Palmettos"......and that's what I use, a pre-punched deck of Texan Palmettos. I can see before I even start to deal if the target cards all have at least one blank between them.....thus allowing a second. If I was punching impromptu, I'd not use the Riser punch, but would use a band-aid with a short tack under it. If ditched, it looks like flotsam and jetsam on the floor. |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I didn't forget In spades, but I wasn't aware of the work in the magazines. I knew there was punch work there, but I haven't seen it.
I guess my point is- if you JUST want to learn punch work for magic tricks (for laypeople) I don't think I personally would spend the time. There are better demos and methods in print. That said, I would love to be rocked by someone using punch work in a magic demo. I've seen Doc do it, and it was great, but I knew he was using it (because he told me). Ben
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Ben, have you read, or do you have access to, Mike Powers "Power Plays"?
There's a few punch gigs in there that might change your mind I'd love to get a look at the Marlo mags #4 and #5, it's the only serious punch stuff I haven't yet read........I, like most folks, have never even SEEN a Marlo mag. |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts |
I haven't read powerplays, but I have access to it. I'll check it out!
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
I think it might be important to emphasise that the classic punch is pretty much a gambling demonstration exclusive. Personally, I have not been able to find a satisfying magical application for it. There are ways of overcoming the problem of distribution, one of which Silverking has mentioned above. Another allows a more convincing demo of Marlo's punch deal. I do agree that apart from some of Marlo's effects and the wonderful Darwin Ortiz gambling demo Raw Deal, its hard to justify the huge amount of time and dedication involved in properly mastering the punch deal. In fact these days with strict house rules in force etc, I would argue its scope as a cheating method is also more limited.
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card cheat Elite user 426 Posts |
Which rules are those?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
All razors to left in the cloakroom except when Genni club members are in attendence.
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
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On 2006-09-28 23:46, Magicjg wrote: http://www.gamblingcollectibles.com/equipment4.html scroll down, they got one for 35 bucks and it looks like its well made...
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
Quote from Card Cheat, 'Which rules are those?'. Presumably the ones you don't adhere to . Seriously though, its the 'habit' of changing the cards periodically and sometimes as much as every half hour. This makes punch work and other 'on the fly' marking systems difficult to say the least.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Kem cards gets rotated so that helps.
The big downside of a blister is that it can be seen.
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
Hi Tommy,
I'm not sure I entirely agree regarding the visibility of the blister. It depends how subtly the work is put in. I believe Doc is particularly skilled at this and those who know his work have commented on how difficult it is to feel the blister let alone see it. Regards, Paul H |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Poker players at my game are a pretty observant bunch when at the table. They are alert intelligent people, and some have very good eyesight. They may not be able to feel a signature when it’s written on a card but they can see one clear enough. I don’t know who they are that say “how difficult it is to feel the blister let alone see it.” but whoever they are they should have gone to Spec Savers if you ask me.
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C-Taylor Loyal user 261 Posts |
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On 2008-01-26 06:43, tommy wrote: I think this also depends on the spot the bump is put at. This was something that bothered me also when I started messing around with the punch. If you play with it enough you can make them invisible.
"theres a lot of good card magic in that book, unfortunately you have to have skill to do most of it."
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
"Invisible" is a strong word.
Sight, touch, and an experienced springer can detect most, if not all work. If it was "invisible" as you suggest, it would be useless to the guy who put it in. "Subtle" or "difficult to detect" perhaps, but not invisible. |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Do ya' think I used enough quotes in my last post?
TIme for remedial english lessons. |
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C-Taylor Loyal user 261 Posts |
I think it was meant as invisible to sight.... that's how I meant it at least.. I don't want to see it only feel it.. as I hope other would also.
"theres a lot of good card magic in that book, unfortunately you have to have skill to do most of it."
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