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Yaniv Deautsch Special user Israel 529 Posts |
Did anyone ever tried hypnosis in chat rooms?
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GothicBen Veteran user England 353 Posts |
You're joking, right?
Hypnosis isn't some magic power where you say a few words and someone is instantly in a trance! Besides, if you had put someone in a trance in a chatroom, how would you tell? I think you need to do a bit more reading and research, Yaniv! And before anyone says anything, I am a professional, licensed hypnotherapist. I think I know my subject. So no credulous stories, purlease!!! Ben |
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Bruno New user 62 Posts |
Ben
While I agree with you in recommending Yaniv to do a little more research, I must suggest that the power of the written word should not be underestimated. I refer you to any great work of literature that has moved you. However, more pertinently, I remind you of the influence the written word exerts on the minds of those that read and follow a daily horoscope.These little columns of seemingly innocuos black squiggles create altered states and affect the perceptions of billions of people around the globe. Sometimes leading to devastating consequences. Merely the act of reading them creates an altered state in some as thier mood changes from one of curiosity to expectancy and perhaps optimism or even fear. Hypnosis is fundamentally about attention and focus and a well worded sentence commands both. |
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GothicBen Veteran user England 353 Posts |
Agreed, Bruno, but what Yaniv may be suggesting is far more easily accomplished, person to person. Whilst I'm an enthusiastic poster to these boards, the best way to hypnotise is to do it to real people, face to face, not hiding behind a keyboard...
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Yaniv Deautsch Special user Israel 529 Posts |
I know that it's easier to do it face to face,
that's why i was asking about it. Yaniv |
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Burt Yaroch Inner circle Dallas,TX 1097 Posts |
While Bruno's examples are insightful I don't think they fall under the definition of hypnosis. Yaniv, even if the person whom you were attempting to hypnotise was a willing participant and a stong hypnotic subject I believe this notion would be exceptionally difficult.
Yakworld.
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
Bruno has a point the items he describes can induce trance on the reader.
The very nature of real time chat induces trance. You have to " go inside" and create the missing information inorder to make sense of the conversation. You have to imagine the facial expressions, voice, tonality etc. This is trance; and by giuding someones online experience using ericksonian hypnotic language you can create all kinds of hypnotic pehenomena. It is possible to create time distortion, install voices, posthypnotic suggestion even install obsessions. Years ago I played around online to learn language patterns and it is possible to hypnotise on line. Something I got bored with but it did serve a purpose at the time |
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Peter695 Regular user 102 Posts |
I'm not so sure that the experience you describe is hypnosis, shrink. I'm not so sure it's not, either.
Advertising would be well served by hypnotic writing (another subject altogether). I'm thinking about how people are led down a path to the close of the sale. There is a fellow, Joe Vitale, who claims to teach "hypnotic writing". People, in chat rooms are led by what they want and the safety of the keyboard might allow them to drop their critical thinking enough for their psyche to be set free in the direction of the fantasy. Cybersex might be an example, No? Isn't that where each pretend to be what the other wishes in as intricate and convincing manner as possible? So that the mind can 'go there'? Really, I'm not so sure anyone knows what hypnosis is or if it exists. I choose to believe that it does exist. Terry Watts defines hypnosis as: “A state wherein the subconscious and conscious parts of the mind begin to work on the same concept at the same time without conflict.” Jerry Kien calls it: "Bypass of the critical factor of the mind...". "Have you ever driven down a road and gone right past your turn without realizing it"? We've all heard that introduction to hypnosis. So why not: "Have you ever been typing in a chat room and suddenly you realize..."? The more I learn about the subject, the less I know for certain. Just thinking aloud. Peter |
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
It is possible to implant post hypnotic suggestions conversationally. Many schools of thought think of trance as something that is ongoing. Whenever your senses are turned inwards. Chat rooms tend to bring that on naturally. And it is possible to compound that with hypnotic language.
"Conversational Hypnosis" is the use of Ericksonian style language to by pass the critical faculty and elicit responses from the unconscious. It is in fact possible to assist people make positive changes without them realizing that changes are taking place. I don't really play around with it online much these days but it served a purpose at the time. However some of the things I was able to bring about really suprised me. And it was a good way to really learn and create language patterns in real time. Is that Hypnosis? depends on how you define it many including myself do. |
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David de Leon Elite user Sweden 418 Posts |
After reading this thread I suddenly found myself unable to bend my arm or remember my name. Which one of you is responsible?
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
As you sit there... reading this...
notice how you can begin to... Notice the shape of these letters... As you slip inside and discover your own reasons for making those changes you want to make... Now... as I see it... it really is that simple. (Yes. You can use hypnotic languaging in chat rooms). |
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amens Regular user 109 Posts |
I tried it once in a voice chat.
This is of course quite possible, although hard, too. |
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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Shrink, can you give some more details of exactly what you were able to accomplish online? As the world becomes more and more online I see myself communicating with people sometimes more through instant messenger than face to face (as it is much cheaper than a phone call). This leads to many many instances where I am called apon to possibly do something to/with them online. I am, of course, VERY limited as to what I can do that would be very effective at all.
Being able to accomplish something like this would be very valuable I would think. Jonathan Grant |
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
Many things that are possible using conversational hypnosis can be installed online. Post hypnotic suggestions creation of sensations elicitation of states.....hallucinations even....
I mean.....if you just stop...... and listen......now....really listen inside.....you can easily hear my voice.....inside...now...can't you? .......and you can be naturally curious as to when you might hear it next....when you least expect it.......perhaps as you drive to work.....or read a book.....or perhaps some other time......you can easily find it tells you how this might be valuable to you....you know what I mean....don't you? |
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teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Shrink and Bruno are spot on
BUT that doesn't mean to say that Language Patterns (and NLP) are for everybody People on these forums, who should know better, regard them as Packet Tricks - ie. I bought the book but it was rubbish. How many readers bought the Lennart Green tape and tried his Top Shot (?)? Or Greg Wilson's tape where he Boomerangs a card 20 feet into space and it comes back into the middle of the pack and tried that? Language Patterns, oral and written, will work. Just like the 2 tricks above will if you invest the work into them, which rules out 90% of people (no offense because I gave up on those 2 tricks too, LOL) TJ's Rule Of NLP: Whether you believe Language Patterns, written and oral work or whether you believe they don't, you are right! LOL - and that's a Language Pattern Cheers TJ |
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Someone tried it on me once. They typed, "imagine you're a rabbit....imagine you're a rabbit....".
Load of rubbish! Cheers, Thumper.
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
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procyonrising Special user New York 698 Posts |
Kinky...
Well, you've certainly got me imagining why someone would ever write "imagine you're a rabbit" in a chat room. |
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Logan Five Inner circle Northern California 1434 Posts |
I've never tried hypnosis in a chat room but I once did a birthsign prediction ( Doug Dyment's Sign Language ) & the person I did this for acused me a being a hacker.
Be careful doing magic over the internet !
Self concept is destiny..
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teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Anybody who has read 'Training Trances' would agree with the first post
Any body who has seen (Video) Tad James do instant inductions on a room full of people (about 30 of them) one at a time using K confusion and a few words would disagree with the second post Cheers TJ |
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
Hypnosis in online chat rooms is possible in any one of several ways:
Post hypnotic suggestion to trigger a trance with ssomeone that you have already hypnotized before. This is a classic hypnotic phenomenon and well documented. Franz Polgar, Ormond McGill and others used to use a printed card to demonstrate the effectiveness of a post hypnotic trigger in their stage shows and I, personally, have done the same thing, using a Palm Pilot. Another way is via Voice Chat, which is no different than doing a hypnosis session over the phone. Again this can be done either by post hypnotic trigger to re-induce trance with someone you have hypnotized before, or with someone new via a standard or Ericksonian induction. Been there, done that, had it done to me. Still another way, though far more difficult and almost impossible to verify, is via text chat only with someone completely new. While possible, this is very iffy in that it is very difficult to determine if your pacing and leading are in step with your volunteer and to determine whether your volunteer is shamming or not. Hope this helps. Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com
<BR>"Because NICE Matters!" |
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