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I was suggesting that Jackman could have just used the machine ONCE, and used his duplicate rather than killing him everytime.

No he wouldn't have done that.
Why not? Two reasons from the movie:
1.) When he sees his very first duplicate, he shot him with the gun he laid out beforehand. Clearly he wouldn't want a dupe of himself -- too weird, too many uncontrolable situations, which leads us to
2.) The issues from the begining with the drunken actor. He had blackmail power over Danton. If there were 2 Dantons, one might try to force the hand of the other.

My only question is, how was the consciousness transferred? Or rather, if you knew you were about to create a duplicate of yourself, would YOU commit suicide knowing your duplicate lives on? Wouldn't YOU rather live on, and kill the duplicate?!
(I'm not sure his trick could've been restructed to do so, knowing the operation of his fictional Tesla Coil). Real Tesla Coils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil


Oh, please don't compate The Illusionist to The Prestige just because they deal with magic and were released within a short timespan of each other. Do so is like comparing Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas to The Corpse Bride just because they are stop motion and gothic! :-/
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I go with a simpler question. KNOWING that you are going to do harm... why drowning? Or was that the other lie alfred told wolverine, that it was like going home?
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Do NOT read unless you’ve seen the film!!!!


OK, in the book, the doppelgangers were not fully “human” and so these “shells” of the original just staked up over the years (he did not limit himself to 100 performances, ick!).

in the film, making them more “literal” he had to dispose of them, and choose the tank as Cutter said it was a painless end (then later admits he lied remember?).

This opens a whole can of worms in moral as well as mortal issues for the film version!

The “transported” one is the “real” or original one, not the carbon copy, so that’s why the ones on stage get tanked.

Tesla (at least with the time and funds) could only invent this flawed version, had he not been trashed and had more bucks he might have worked out this rather large kink in the working of the transport.

Hats n cats is one thing, but no matter the power of the effect could any of you (us) become this compulsive about our magic????????

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I agree with the lie thing as well, and staying with the movie version, it was probably a better use to have the blind (and obviously cloned) stage hands moving around a box the same way everytime, than to deal with a 'dirty handed' approach to the post effect mess.

As the clones/prestiges/dopplegangers obviously didn't want to die, and it was a surprise to them when it did happen...and they were drowned, it could have also been a way to pay homage to his wife by killing himself (sort of) the same as her, in the same way that during his depressive beginning, he tried to drown himself in the sink, but, couldn't do it.
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On 2006-10-24 16:00, SpellbinderEntertainment wrote:
The “transported” one is the “real” or original one, not the carbon copy, so that’s why the ones on stage get tanked.

Thanks for that. I was under the impression that the item/person that steps under the Tesla Coil is the original and stays the original while a copy is made and appears elsewhere (this makes logical sense). You're saying that's reversed, and now Danton's choice makes a lot more sense to me.

I figure from what Cutter (Caine) said that drowning was like going home, that's why Danton chose to let them drown -- the murders are self-contained (if large) and he didn't think he was torturing them. Whoops! It's still pretty gruesome.

Looks like I've got another book to read...!
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On 2006-10-24 12:04, chichi711 wrote:
Sorry off topic a bit here.

... I heard a third "magic movie" is coming out. Anybody know if that is true?


How would anyone else know whether or not you heard such a thing?

Do you have anything specific?


Nothing outside of somebody on the Café saying a third movie is coming out in the future. that's all I heard.
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There are a few such movies. Maybe time to get better sources of gossip. Smile
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As to the copies...

it seems they are identical. think of the cat. it's a projected copy, not a blank ... that's why he recognized the gun and knew where to find it.

it was the lie that gave him the impetus and of course he put it where it was needed.
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On 2006-10-24 18:51, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
As to the copies...

it seems they are identical. think of the cat. it's a projected copy, not a blank ... that's why he recognized the gun and knew where to find it.

it was the lie that gave him the impetus and of course he put it where it was needed.


From the beginning (after Tesla visit) seeing the same collar on the cat was the part I forgot about when I had to leave for restroom. Still a lot of questions. Perhaps this is what they wanted all along.
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Perhaps "Smokin Aces" was the next supposed magic-themed movie? Doesn't look very magic-based from this trailer; just some flourishes.
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I know I'm coming into this discussion of "The Prestige" cold, and probably off-topic, but I just saw the movie last night, and loved it. The brief Chung Ling Soo portion was brilliant, although I was disappointed that there was a little exposure of the goldfish bowl production method in this film that is going out to the masses. I knew that Ricky Jay and Michael Weber (two creative geniuses) were involved with this movie. I watched the credits until the end, and it had a Thank You to David Copperfield for this movie. Does anyone know what David contributed to this movie...Posters, Props, Advice, Etc? I was just curious. I'm a big David Copperfield fan, and I was just curious how he helped in this project.
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Hey, good question there. Send an email to DC and see what comes back. Let us know.
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On 2006-10-24 15:22, Diavo wrote:
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I was suggesting that Jackman could have just used the machine ONCE, and used his duplicate rather than killing him everytime.

No he wouldn't have done that.
Why not? Two reasons from the movie:
1.) When he sees his very first duplicate, he shot him with the gun he laid out beforehand. Clearly he wouldn't want a dupe of himself -- too weird, too many uncontrolable situations, which leads us to
2.) The issues from the begining with the drunken actor. He had blackmail power over Danton. If there were 2 Dantons, one might try to force the hand of the other.

My only question is, how was the consciousness transferred? Or rather, if you knew you were about to create a duplicate of yourself, would YOU commit suicide knowing your duplicate lives on? Wouldn't YOU rather live on, and kill the duplicate?!
(I'm not sure his trick could've been restructed to do so, knowing the operation of his fictional Tesla Coil). Real Tesla Coils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil


Oh, please don't compate The Illusionist to The Prestige just because they deal with magic and were released within a short timespan of each other. Do so is like comparing Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas to The Corpse Bride just because they are stop motion and gothic! :-/


Accept that there are a LOT of reasons to compare those two Burton films. first, they are both Burton Films, both animated films, both gothic.

No different then comparing two comic book films, or two films that are both based on books to see which was the better adaptation Smile
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On 2006-10-24 16:28, karbonkid wrote:
I agree with the lie thing as well, and staying with the movie version, it was probably a better use to have the blind (and obviously cloned) stage hands moving around a box the same way everytime, than to deal with a 'dirty handed' approach to the post effect mess.

As the clones/prestiges/dopplegangers obviously didn't want to die, and it was a surprise to them when it did happen...and they were drowned, it could have also been a way to pay homage to his wife by killing himself (sort of) the same as her, in the same way that during his depressive beginning, he tried to drown himself in the sink, but, couldn't do it.


Um, they obviously had to know they were going to die, as they were the ones who set up the tank.

That is, both people knew what the other did prior to the transposition.

Note that it was the transported onethat was killed the first time, and the one who remained that lived.

But in all the performances, he killed the one that stayed in the machine.

So obviously, both came out of the experience remembering everything.

As Danton pointed ou, he himself never knew which one he really was, the one who went in, or the one who came out.


So he went into every performance knowing that he would be killing himself, but came out of every performance whith no idea of what his death was like.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2006-10-24 18:47, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
There are a few such movies. Maybe time to get better sources of gossip. Smile


Hence the question. Obviously you know something I don't. That is why I asked, so people that know could answer. Smile SO what is the answer Jonathan?
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THE answer begins: ask better questions.

IMDB has some good sources for you.

Here is one you might not have seen: http://movies.hsx.com/servlet/SecurityDetail?symbol=CBDEV

SO... what else is so obvious you have to be a magician to ignore it?
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On 2006-10-25 20:16, Jonathan Townsend wrote:


SO... what else is so obvious you have to be a magician to ignore it?


??????
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Here is another "magic" movie that is set to be released. It is about Harry Houdini, titled Death Defying Acts, starring Guy Peirce as Houdini.

Here is a link to the movie description:

http://www.myriadpictures.com/film.php?film=68
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Thanks BRodgers. It says it is in production. I will be looking forward to that.
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On 2006-10-25 22:38, BRodgers wrote:
Here is another "magic" movie that is set to be released. It is about Harry Houdini, titled Death Defying Acts, starring Guy Peirce as Houdini.

Here is a link to the movie description:

http://www.myriadpictures.com/film.php?film=68

Wow, Guy Pearce looks NOTHING like Houdini. Could they be farther off?! And this plot...?
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