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Nathan Alexander
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I am about to join those that utilize the power of a stack. It's been years toying with the idea, and I have finally plunked down and began the process.

Wow. I can forsee great things. Why did I wait so long? There really are miracles out there waiting to be performed with a memorized deck. True miracles.

I imagine taking my work to a whole new level. I've owned Jaun's Mnemonica and have finally dug in - although I have chosen to go with the Aronson stack. I can now enjoy wonderful work by Simon Aronson, Michael Close, Darwin Ortiz (really excited about The Zen Master routine) and many, many other applications with classic effects.

What got me really excited was the work on undoing a spectator's shuffle whether riffle, overhand or both(!) in Mnemonica. I mean, is this something I have just been too stupid to see? It seems as if I am stagnant unless great card work is thrust in my face but this is great know-how when using a stack. Not just fake shuffles, but letting them do it? Great indeed. Does everyone do this? Why didn't I investigate these "moves" sooner?

I have become quite proficient at sifting junk from gems with all the redundant and all too often useless trinkets and offerings out there. There is a multitude of things to buy and it can be very overwhelming. I realized a while back that I have more than enough ideas, routines and tricks that can all be polished and worked on to perform enough magic to last a long time - most of it is good material in books and DVD's I already own.

Rambling aside, it's nice to discover there was a treasure just waiting to be discovered without purchasing anything new. A whole new avenue has been opened. I look forward to sharing my success with stack work.
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On 2006-10-31 12:56, Nathan Alexander wrote:
What got me really excited was the work on undoing a spectator's shuffle whether riffle, overhand or both(!) in Mnemonica. I mean, is this something I have just been too stupid to see? It seems as if I am stagnant unless great card work is thrust in my face but this is great know-how when using a stack. Not just fake shuffles, but letting them do it? Great indeed. Does everyone do this? Why didn't I investigate these "moves" sooner?


I do not currently use a MD (I use BCS). Are you saying that a spectator can shuffle the deck and you can easily get the deck back into order?
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Y'all should check out derren brown's devil's picturebook - he has an interesting, albeit brief, discussion on how a spectators overhand shuffle makes little difference to the deck setup. great stuff.
Nathan Alexander
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You can undo one (even two) shuffles with a little work and with good motivation. It is fairly quick and fun to do.

You would need the BCS memorized (or any other mem stack) to make it effective. But yes, you can undo their shuffle. I would say it is fairly easy and most effective as they can do both a riffle and overhand if they chose, but it's obviously harder the more they do.
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Lennart Green does some of my favorite routines utilizing a stacked deck. "The Poker Deal" off of Green Magic Volume 2 and "Fractal Harmony" off of Volume 3 are two of the best reaction-getters I have ever seen! The trouble is finding the right spot in a performance to do a stacked deck routine. I know for myself that when I do my stand-up show I am not in the position to perform card effects of this nature because the audience is simply too large, and then during walk-around using a stacked deck is out of the question for time constraints and reset conditions. I have found myself in a position to use some of Lennart's routines now and again though, and they always land!
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I am currenlty memorizing the Aronson stack. I have a little bit more than half memorized. I can't wait till I can start using the MD principle.

One question though. Where do I go to after I learn the stack? I found the stack online, I didn't have to buy a book or anything. What book is a good book for the Aronson stack?
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Pretty much most if not all of Aronson's books contain work using his stack.

I would say that "Bound to Please" is a good place to start.

A lot of books that contain memdeck work contain tricks that are stack independant - such as Tamariz' book for example.

Nathan - I'm going to have to pull out Mnemonica and try to find what you're referencing with regards to undoing shuffles and so forth....usually I remember things like that, but not this time for some reason.
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T. Joseph O'Malley - It's good stuff. I am not at home and won't be until late, so maybe someone else will know the page numbers.

Otherwise I'll look them up tonight/tommorow for you if you haven't seen them already.
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Check out "Stackview" on the web -- a program for helping memorize stacks. Pretty nifty.
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Nathan,

You are right about Zen Master. It is an awsome effect. One thing I suggest, and this is just personal preferrence, is to get a peek as the cards are being put into the case. This is a very easy thing to do, easier in fact than most peeks and prevents you from having to cut a window in the card case. Give it a try. As you hold the box out for the spectator to slide the cards it, they will either slide them in face up (infrequently) or they will slide them in face down. If they go face down, once they are about half wan in the box, just tip the box up so they will slide the rest of the way in and you will get your peek.

Also, if you can get your hands on Michael Close's Closely Guarded Secrets he has a great memorized deck routine on it.

Good luck with your mem deck work.

Paul
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Can anybody add anything about re-stacking a stack that has been shuffled by a
spectator? (see above couple of posts)
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I would also like to know where in Mnemonica this un-doing of a shuffle is located.

Can this be done with the Aronson Stack?
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Nathan Alexander
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Yea, that's the one I use. I have to go back through for the exact page number, but it is in the back after the "main" part of the book.

It's really good know-how stuff. I still get a kick out of how fair it is.

edh - I'll check tonight.
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Thanks Nathan. I'll be checking in on this thread.
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There is great information on restacking the deck after the spectator does a single riffle shuffle in Eric Mead's book: "Tangled Web." This will definitely take some practice but is well worth the effort.

Along the same lines, it's wise to have some good false shuffles you can do with the deck, and also to have some good ways to switch the stacked deck into play when you've been working with a normal deck that has been thoroughly shuffled.

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Nathan Alexander
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Ok here it is!

In Mnemonica check out pages 279-282 and you'll find some GREAT instructions and ideas for resetting a stack after an over-hand shuffle, a riffle shuffle and a combination of both!

It really is a great resource. When you guys read it let me know what you think.
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Nathan Thanks for the information.

Dennis, thanks for that research.
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