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Glenn Godsey
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Penguin is offering "chrome Plastic" cups that look like Fox cups.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1534

It was bound to happen eventually.

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Jeff J.
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Classy......just plain classy! They are a great addition to the magician who wears gold plated plastic jewelry.
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I don't think it's a half bad idea, really. Why shouldn't a kid be able to practice with cups that look a lot more like what the "real" magicians use?

In my old 1983 Tannen catalog, they were selling copper cups for $17, which Bill Palmer says were Morrisey cups.

Today, these plastc Fauxes might be the best cup one could get under $20.
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I have seen very inexpensive metal cups that look and perform decent. I would imagine that you would get that plastic "thud" sound from these cups rather than the ping of metal cups, even though they are chrome plated. A kid starting out who doesn't want to use plastic should spend an extra 10 bucks and go for low end metal cups. Just my opinion.
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Perfect for kids, must be nice to open a magic set and see these cups
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WalMart seasonally sells a magic set that has a set of cups and balls, and the cups are closer to the "preferred" look than the little flower pots commonly sold by Adams and Royal.

What is wrong with a kid using plastic cups? I'd bet my right eye there is going to be some kid with a set of plastic cups out there that can out-perform most of those who would put their faith in status symbols.

I first learned the cups and balls over 40 years ago. I have also witnessed a lot of performances of the trick, including names that would make most magicians stop and pop their heads up like Meercats, but I can say with confidence that one of the most compelling cups and balls performances I ever saw was done by some unknown who probably only knew the one trick. He did it in a bar with Styrofoam coffee cups, and wadded up paper balls. I stood at a slight distance and watched the look on the faces of the people who watched him. If all my performances were that magical, I'd give my other eye.

If Tenyo had produced a set of plastic cups, would the reaction be the same??

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Tenyo did produce a set of plastic cups. They weren't full sized, but they were bigger than the Adams cups.

I have mixed feelings about using the PF design in a plastic cup. My initial reaction is one of shock. However, there is no way anyone will mistake these for a regular PF set, once they pick them up. I ordered two sets, just so I could have one to photograph for the museum and one to experiment with.

None of the recent reissues or reproductions of the Paul Fox cups have hurt the value of the originals in any way. And some of the new reissues are as good as, if not better than the ones that Danny Dew produced. Jake's cups are excellent.

And as far as kids using plastic cups to start with -- there's nothing wrong with that at all. I'd rather see a kid drop a plastic cup than a metal one.
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Aha... now I can do my Broken and Restored cup routine. Smile
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I had another idea for it, but that's close.

Can you imagine doing a mini lecture on Paul Fox cups and "accidentally" stepping on one of these things?
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Richard Evans
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Can you really chrome plastic? Or do these cups just have a 'chrome effect' finish?

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I'm sure it's just that chrome-like finish that you see on toys and plastic Christmas ornaments.

Bill can let us know when his sets come in.
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Most chrome plating of plastic is done by a vacuum chroming process. Some of it looks pretty good, if the surface is prepared properly.
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Those nice chrome plated mirrors and grills on most automobiles produced in the last 20 years are plastic. I worked at a placed that manufacturer crossing signals for the railway industry, and the reflectors inside those signals where very high quality chrome plated plastic..... higher quality and more durable than glass.

There may be a place for these, but I don't think I could bring myself to buy them. I might like them better than my copper Sherwood's ;-)
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Naaahhh.
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The first thing I thought of when I saw these cups was David Regal's routine, "Cups and Balls and Cups and Balls". In that routine, David not only produces his final ball loads, but he also produces another set of cups. I've been performing this routine for years with a large set of brass cups and my old aluminum morrissey set. This Penguin set could be an affordable alternative to my morrisseys.

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If you can drink out of them, you can use them to fix a "magic cocktail"
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I had a talk with Sam from Penguin, we spoke at length about Rob and his rip offs, it was one thing when MM was making their own version of the Paul Faux cups, but when the retooled and did the same crap job on them, it really burned me. Now to take the design and do them in cheap chromed plastic? No.

What most don't know, but will now, earlier in the year we obtained the actual set of tooling to the Paul Fox Chick Cups, Paul Fox cups and Danny Dew Paul Fox cups, these were donated to us. For safe keeping I had all sets flown to a secure location in Finland. Since then we destroyed the RNT II version of the tooling for the cups. Now in light of what Penguin has gone and backed MM by supplying these sets, I guess I was also like others wrong to think that Sam was innovative enough to turn this company around. I think there was a story about a frog and a scorpion at one point on the Café.

According to my program here, we can generate the same cups in the same guage as the Morrissey cups and retail them for 12.95, we can do the copper in the Morrissey gauge for 29.95 retail. I'm even going to throw in bag and balls and routine. The finish on them will be of retail quality, just not the collectors finish I put on most of the cups we sell. The Fox is going to bite the Bird right in the ass on this one.

We spent several thousand dollars earlier in the year on injection molds for our Paul Fox cups, we were going to do them out of injected Delrin, but decided against it as no Paul Fox cups were ever made from any type of plastic or synthetic material. The shop lights will burn late tonight.

In light of the fact that I may be seeming to fly off the handle here, I appologize to Café members, but it does not change my view of these people.
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On 2006-11-18 15:44, Pete Biro wrote:
Aha... now I can do my Broken and Restored cup routine. Smile


I was thinking along the lines of a smash vanish but yea... sure why not do a "prestige" for the shows.
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I'd buy these for a kid any time.
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I was hoping against hope that The Scorpion would not kill the Frog. But apparently, he has. Now, just to make sure that everyone understands the ramifications of this and the secret symbolism in the story -- The Scorpion is not really Sam. Sam is the Frog. The Scorpion is the Penguin Trio. Sounds like a folk group doesn't it?

The Penguin Trio consists of Maxwell Murphy, Acar Altinsel and their not so secret "angel." I think we all know who that is.

When Sam first signed on with the bird, I called a few people I knew and asked them what they knew about him. All I heard was good reports -- the perfect frog for the job.

It makes me wonder why they do this, though. After all, they could make a lot more money by importing fake designer handbags and watches.

Jake, don't waste your time putting out a cheaper cup. These guys aren't even in your league. Sure, you can make what they make. But they CAN'T make what you make. Not in a million years.

But if you do make a cheaper cup, be sure to save a set for me! Smile
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