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P T Flea
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I have just purchased Dark Card and the basic effect is fantastic. Then I looked to the back of the documentation and read how to perform another effect called The Red Card of Mystery (or something very similar).

EFFECT: The spec cuts the deck to select a card. The performer produces a red card from his pocket. Marked on the back of the card are the words 'Red Card of Mystery'.

The performer explains the history behind the red card and explains it will be pinned in full view whilst the rest of the trick is performed. The selected card is signed and returned and shuffled into the deck.

The performer explains that the red card will now locate the spec's card, and proceeds to poke it into various places in the deck before finally deciding on a location.

You explain that the card next to the red card should be their chosen card if the trick has worked correctly. You turn over the card to reveal, sadly, that it is not their card.

You explain that sometimes the red card is overly ambitious in finding the card and can BECOME their signed card, you triumphantly turn over the red card of mystery to reveal it is their card.

Everything can be inspected and the red card of mystery can be kept as a souvenir.

This effect is VERY strong.

I would highly recommend it.

Has anyone else come into contact with this effect or one similar?

Thanks for reading
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Funny--- I was cleaning out the room I use to keep my magic materials in preparation for cataloguing my things on computer and I came across the Dark Card in the bottom of a box of old Linking Rings.

I was going to play with it some this evening.

Now I will make sure I do so.

Rolando
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I know of a similar effect that doesn't require any gaffed cards. You do need any type of Card to Wallet. I use the Mullica.

This effect is from David Acer in the Magic Menu Years 1-5. It's called The Leather Clad Stranger.

Effect: A spectator selects a card from a blue backed deck and signs it. It is then mixed into the deck. Magician says that he has a prediction with him from a red backed deck. He takes out his wallet and reveals a red backed card that was inside. He says that the prediction is very accurate, and shows that it has the spec's signature on it!

So basically this effect is a Card to Wallet but with a color change. The plot is pretty similar to the Dark Card, and I imagine that both would get a good reaction.

Question: How clean do you end when you use the Dark Card?
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Question: How clean do you end when you use the Dark Card?


To be honest when you're finished there really is nothing to see. The 'Red Card of Mystery' can be examined all they like. I think you would be pleasantly surprised how the gaff ditches itself very efficiently!
I am most interested about how to do the un-gaffed effect that you mention. Would you be able to private message me?

PT

p.s. I have the mirage wallet, which is a no palm card to wallet effect.
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I have several effects using the Dark card in my books.
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Jean Boucher (It is pronounced something like
j-han), he is the creator of Dark Card, he may be reached at
jeanboucher.com
He has other ideas as well...
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I agree that the Red Mystery Card version of Dark Card is killer. Here's a couple of subtleties, I've found, rid any spectator suspicion of a duplicate Mystery Card.

Write on the Mystery Card in front of them as if it were an off the cuff gesture,
"We'll call this card, say, the Mystery Card" and just write on it like your making it up as you go along. Another nice touch (if you know who you'll be perfoming it for) is to personalize it (how about we even write your name on it...).

Other subtleties I've tried is putting a little line or star underlining whatever you decide to scribble on card. The last thing they'll ever think at that point is that you prepared a duplicate card just like the one you scribbled on. As far as making it a perfect match to the duplicate, I wouldn't sweat it. If it's remotely close they won't know the difference.

The beauty of this effect is that people pull and tug on their gimmick free signed card. One more thing. I know the instructions say have the spectator freely pick up and sign the card. I wouldn't do it. Just put it on the table. After the effect, they'll think they handled it anyway.

If anyone has any variations with Dark Card, I'd love to hear them.
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As for an ungaffed effect of this trick? Couldn't you just use a force? And have "The Red Card of Mystery" be the same number and suite? But then, you would have two of one card and the card that you pull out as the "Red Card" will not be the signed card. But, it is a bit different of a version. Just my thought. Im learning everyday, since I am just a card magician baby of 2-3 months. Tell me if this would work or not.

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PT, Check out Darwin Ortiz's effect, Dream Card, from his book "Darwin Ortiz At the Card Table". It is the same effect as The Red Card of Mystery, but routined differently. Ortiz's is certainly one of the best handlings of this very strong effect.
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Wow. Does NOBODY here study the work of Larry Jennings?

Seek out the routine "Mystery Card" in "Classic Magic of Larry Jennings", and put your gaffed cards back in the bottom drawer where they belong.

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Thomas Wayne
(PS: the Ortiz effect mentioned above - "Dream Card" - is also a great effect. I recommend dedicating a specific wallet to the effect and adding a horizontal slit to the back, forming a small, shallow pocket to grip one end of the dream card until needed; much easier than trying to get it to ride bareback-piggyback...)
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Thomas, what's wrong with a gimmicked card? Isn't it about the effect? Not the means of getting there. Could you elaborate on the Jennings' Mystery Card? I doubt it has quite the power of Dark Card where you cleanly show both sides of the signed card. Even the wonderful Dream Card doesn't allow for that.
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Platt,
There are two kinds of magicians, the
"purists" and the "not so pure".
Mr. Wayne is obviously a purist based on his last comment, but there is nothing wrong with that. He doesn't believe in using gaffs when you can use skill to obtain the same effect.

In the eyes of laymen, the strong points, that us magicians may find in using gaffs mean nothing to laymen. If a magician can duplicate a gaffed effect with ordinary materials it is just as strong for a lay audience, and you don't have to worry about cleaning up.

But then again there is nothing wrong with using gaffs either. Some magicians think that if there are two methods to an effect they might as well take the easier route so they can focus more on presentation rather than worry about pulling off difficult sleights.

I'm kind of in the middle, leaning more towards the purist view. My reasoning is that I don't want to limit myself in what I can perform just because I don't have the necessary gaff that I need. If I leave my gaffs at home I want to be able to take an ordinary deck and perform miracles with them. It's just more convenient for me.

But then again, I don't want to ignore the possibilities that a clever gaff can do for me. If it makes an effect easier and even more impossible, I will use it if it is not too cumbersome to manage. (I love Deja Vu Deck, NFW, Hopping Halves, Wonder Pen-e-tration, etc...).

Better yet, when you combine gaffs and sleights in the same effect you get the ultimate payoff.

I hope I didn't go too far off the subject, I just felt the urge to let this out. Smile

Oh, I forgot to ask: Does the Dark Card instantly reset? Is it good for table hopping? Smile
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On 2002-03-19 22:51, Platt wrote:
Thomas, what's wrong with a gimmicked card? [...]
Could you elaborate on the Jennings' Mystery Card?


Oh there's nothing wrong with gimmicked cards, if that's what's needed to get the job done. However, if a strong (or stronger) effect can be accomplished sans gaffus, then a borrowed deck or a truly impromptu condition doesn't eliminate the effect from your line-up.

Here is a bare-bones - but accurate - description of the "Mystery Card" effect:

Performer states that he always carries a "mystery card" with him, just to add a little mystery to his magic; he then removes a single card from his pocket and shows only the BACK. He returns the card to his pocket, mentioning that "we'll get to the other side of the mystery a little bit later."

The two jokers - or two black kings or whatever - are removed from the deck and a third card is freely selected and SIGNED. The card is cleanly sandwiched face-down between the two face-up jokers. Just to be clear, all three cards are individually displayed, cleanly - front and back. The three cards are held between the spectator's (or performer's) palms, whereupon the selection is found to have vanished from the center of the sandwich.

At no time, after showing the mystery card for the last time, does the performer go near that pocket again, and the three card sandwich is shown one last time AFTER the mystery card is back in the performer's pocket. Nevertheless, following the vanish of the selection, the spectator is invited to reach in and retrieve the mystery card, which is then seen to be the spectator's signed selection.

BTW, this plays even stronger than it reads.

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Thomas Wayne
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The Mystery Card is one of my favorites. Your description is all true. However, as in the magic advert tradition, you have left out something.
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On 2002-03-20 14:04, How_Soon_Is_Now wrote:
The Mystery Card is one of my favorites. Your description is all true. However, as in the magic advert tradition, you have left out something.


Of course, I only intended to describe the effect, not the methodology, which is the only thing I left out. My initial description is, otherwise, accurate AND complete.

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Thomas Wayne
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Very interesting!
I recently created an effect totally independently that sounds extremely similar (if not identical) to the effect of
"The red card of mystery".
My version uses no gaffs and every thing is examinable at the end.
I will gladly email the routine to anybody who is interested in reading it.
Alternativly, I have posted it at http://www.ultimatemagic.com/library/.
It is in the advanced card magic section and entitled "Megamorphosis".

I would be interested to know how my effect differs from the "Red Card of Mystery".
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In the Dark Card booklet it talks about using A Faro deal.

Any alternatives to this?


Cheers
Mike
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Ok, have a few questions I am hoping someone here will be nice enough to answer for me.


-how fast can you reset the dark card effect?

-Does this effect involve any peeling of cards? I would hate to have to make a new gaff each time if it requires ruining multiple cards. If to answer this requires exposure, then you can just ignore this question.

-how skill intensive is it? I don't mind buying something if it will add to my persona as a great magician, but I don't have enough time to spend perfecting another nucklebuster.
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Mike-
You don't have to use a faro--you can just push the card into the middle of the deck, which is exactly how I use it 90% of the time. However, even when you do use a faro, it doesn't need to even remotely be a perfect faro. Only three cards need to weave.

R4bid-
It can be reset in seconds. No cards are ruined. the gaff can be used over and over, a couple hundred times, and you get three gaffs.

Its basic use requires no special skill. If you can do any standard card trick, you can do this. That's part of its appeal.
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Thanks Guinn, looks like I will be making a purchase soon.
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