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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Well since you already know what you need to know, then forget it I will stop posting for you. You are right. Your exact question WAS addressed. Sorry you havn't seen it. I hope you do well.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TKE Veteran user FL 346 Posts |
I was asking for effects. youre right..i don't see any posted.
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Futureal Inner circle 1695 Posts |
You're kind of a big deal.
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JeffMac Veteran user Sudbury, ont 350 Posts |
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So are your a professional entertainer? Again I'm now a Bar Manager and doing extremly well at it. I'm a Magician and doing well enough at it. I'm also a give a bartending course once a week. and very often the three mesh into each other. I'm all three and looking to add more. Posted: Dec 3, 2006 3:53am Quote: On 2006-11-29 15:48, Tony Iacoviello wrote: You should be allowed to both, and the other waiters should be allowed to entertain their tables with their talents as well. Some might sing, some might juggle, others may dance or show how they can touch their nose with their tongue. What is the name of this place, Cirque de Salad or Amatuer Hors’dourve? The last thing in the world I want when I order food is to have the waiter singing and dancing while I'm trying to get my food. The only magic I want him to do is, conjur up my meal. Tony The context of the magic is the Key if you are doing soething classy and in a classy way you can do it in a classy restaurant. I've worked 4 and 5 star places I toss out a trick from time to time if I felt it was appropriate. The owners loved it as much as the customers. I'm not talking about turning the place into a circus but some coin vanishes or a copper silver routine can work very well. I also wouldn't perform for a non-regular customer. It's a different enviroment and you want to already have a repore with the client if your going to start pulling stuff out. I can remember being called into work because of high end clients of the restaurnts wanting me to serve them. The key to being a great server is knowing when and when not to be invisible. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea keep mixing them, when you can't find a job as a magician or as a waiter because they can't figure out which you want to be, well then talk to us.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TKE Veteran user FL 346 Posts |
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On 2006-12-03 11:12, Dannydoyle wrote: can you be a magician and a father? can you be a magician and a have another part time job? can you be a magician and a teacher? Student? Then why not a magician and waiter. Not everyone is devoting their whole life to magic, which is not a bad thing, if I wasnt on my last year of college, this is probably what I'd be doing. don't be close minded. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
When your being paid to serve, you serve. THAT is the difference. It is not a point of being a father and a fireman. Not a point of your whole life being about magic. It is about what you are being paid to do in context.
The bottom line is if your establishment does not mind, then hey go for it. It matters little what we think. If it works for you then I wish you all the best again. Just as a rule, it is not a great idea for many reasons. I hope it works out and you do huge tips!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts |
TKE,
Being a magician and a waiter - of course you can do it. All of those "yet to be discovered starletts" in Hollywood are "actresses...but waiting tables until the call comes." Right. Call yourself whatever you want. If you want to do a few tricks for your table, go for it. There's nothing wrong with having a server who actually has a personality and is entertaining. But don't forget what you're there to do - serve food & fill drinks. Robert
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,"
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Rob Johnston Inner circle Utah 2060 Posts |
Good topic here.
I think it is up to the owners of ther restaurant..as far as any employee is concerned, they have the say. Also, I agree with some here..it is fine to do magic...but don't forget your first duty. I don't care if I have a contortionist as a waiter...I want my drink refilled first and foremost. ~~Rob~~
"Genius is another word for magic, and the whole point of magic is that it is inexplicable." - Margot Fonteyn
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
I personally think TKE is on the right track here. He's got the right mindset to accomplish his goals. He's willing to add "a little extra", a touch of magic to highlight the dining experience. No fanfare. No applause cue. Just a quick unannounced, "Hey, did you see that?" Other waiters add these little touches with extra hot rolls, extra butter, spotless tableware, always-full glasses, mints with the bill...what's wrong with a magically trained waiter treating a customer's children to an impromptu Hershey Kiss production or a lady to a napkin rose? If it enhances the experience...and maybe the tip...I say go for it! But keep it low key...unannounced...no applause cue...that special something extra with a "Who was that masked man?" reaction. As a diner this would impress me.
Skip
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JeffMac Veteran user Sudbury, ont 350 Posts |
Skip that's exactly what you should be going for. At the end of the night the customer should be saying "Wow that was a great meal and a great time", "Not that was alright but did you see the waiters tricks". Your a value added when and only when it's appropriate and not going to affect service.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2006-11-29 08:49, TKE wrote: Here is the original post guys. Let us examine the "value added" idea shall we Jeff? How much "value is added" when you do tricks for coworkers? HOW exactly does that enhance the dining experience for the patron when their waiter is in the kitchen doing the matrix? See the problem? Like I said I owned a place just like this. Till I was bought out by condo developers. One guy does one job. Yes a server can indeed do magical things like produce the check or whatever, but working for coworkers? Not the right idea. See there is almost NO reason to work for your coworkers unless you are craving attention. And funny thing about people paying a c-note per plate, THEY want attention. It is a different world than a bar.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JeffMac Veteran user Sudbury, ont 350 Posts |
I agree on the Co-Worker thing slipped by me on the first reading thanks Danny.
I have worked very upscale restaurants where many of the wines would cost you over a C-note a bottle. I was a Sommelier for a time and would often have the time to throw a trick out for a customer especially by the end of the night as most of my work was done. I've also worked as a waiter in similar restaurants. Where most run of the mill restaurants would have me serving 8-12 tables I would usually be capped at 3 or 4 on a busy night in the higher end places. The reason was they wanted the customers to have the attention they deserved for the prices they were paying. I didn't perform for every group that walked into the room however. If it were a couple on a date for instance I would find out the significance of the date before I would even consider performing. So if it were a first date or a engagement which were very common I would never perform (1 exception it was asked for by the proposer) reason being the guy brought the girl there so it would be memorable and not because of me but because of him. But I would also have couples come in that were obviously dating for some time and had a look of their night was missing something. So I would float a cork or do a copper silver brass routine I had shortened and modified for the Restaurant. So back to the Original post. If you want to do it make sure you know your customers, make sure the owners know what your doing, and keep it short and simple. |
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the AuditOrr Regular user 175 Posts |
Hey TKE, if you're looking to do effects for the restaurant then speak to your management first. As soon as they say everything is fine with you performing something, small effect or large effect, then perform away. Keeping in mind that the restaurant you're working in is very high class, then you might want to be careful. The best way that magicians, and everyone else for that matter, learn is by experience. Try doing something small next time you work and if it doesn't feel right then try something different. If that doesn't work then again try something different. Don't stop trying new things. It's all for improvment. However, let your personality be what gets you your tip. Not your effect. I think that's one big thing that magicians get wrong. Show your personality.
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dmm New user 83 Posts |
Having peformed numerous restaurants including many high end locations for many years, I would say be careful.
Enhancing someone's time with a quick effect, is one thing, but if people are paying that kind of $$$, and another one of your tables see you doing a piece of magic while starving, well, it could have a negative reaction. I agree you can serve and perform, but not at the same time, at least successfully, people could view you as a cheesy annoying server, or may not even take you seriously as a real magician. Ask the owners if you could entertain soley on certain nights, if you do it right, you will most likely make just as much, if not more money than serving. Good Luck!! |
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Magicpitch Regular user 197 Posts |
If I'm with someone at a $100 per person restaurant, then it's a special occasion. Time is at a premium. I'd either like to spend time staring into the women's eyes, or I'd like to be working out the deals of a business transaction. I'd prefer not to be interupted during either.
However, if I'm paying $20 a meal, and out with family or friends and looking to have some fun, I'm open to anyone approaching the table with some entertainment. A lot of people go to high end restaurants because they want the privacy and professionalism of the staff not to bother them. At least that's why I go there. I certainly don't go there for the $12 beers or $18 salads. Just my opinion- Steve
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Atom3581 New user 63 Posts |
Ok this is my kind of Post. I am sort of in the same boat as TKE, but I just work at the Outback. (not so fancy) I bartend, serve, train, and do magic everyday. Here are some pointers.
1. never do an effect if there is an empty drink 2. keep the co worker effects to time off the clock 3. do something if the food is taking to long to cook to make the wait seem less noticeable 4. perform effects that utilize the props in the restaraunt i.e. Broken & Restored toothpick 5. perform mostly for people who ask about you, as your reputation will begin to precede you. Don't go around to tables and say "let me show you something" I have the support of my proprietor as she sees that some places pay 100 dollars an hour for entertainment or more and she gets it free. If they don't appreciate and support you go somewhere else. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Now we get to the heart of the matter. YOU are providing a valuable service for free.
I am not sure I agree with that. I kind of feel as if you are not paid to do what you are doing, maybe you should take your own advice and go someplace else. BTW, I think Outback is a GREAT place to eat, don't downplay it. Not "fancy" but really fills a great niche.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JeffMac Veteran user Sudbury, ont 350 Posts |
I don't know if it's really for free Danny most Waiters I know that are good at doing the server/magican thing make a fair bit more in tips
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I only mention it as he brought up a 100 fee for what he does.
That was mainly my point. It is still good to be good. Needless to say, you are correct sir.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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