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Mystification
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Has anybody read both Joyal's book and Juan's book? If so which makes it easier to memorize the deck?
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If you just are looking for an easy-to-remember-stack... take "New Deck Order".
You'll learn it in 2 minutes...(sorry! But there is a reason why I wrote this):
I would say that it is more important to talk about the effects that can be done with the system, not just which one is easier to learn. I only can say that Tamariz is awsome... and maybe the (little bit) more work pays off. But who says that the stack must be more complicated to be learned therefore? Tamariz also describes a method which can eventually take you less than 6 hours to learn. It always depends on individual abilities. Go for Tamariz. You won't regret it!
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I just got Tamariz` book. It is beautiful and certainly worth the money. I have not started the real work on it. Will post my insights after I found the time - probably over X-mas.

Andy


I finally found the time to do the work required. And guess what - within two days I had the whole deck memorized. I therefore can warmly recommend the method and the book.

Choosing the right song was important. Someone suggested a tune out of the musical The Sound of Music. As I am very familiar with that song, I went for it and yes, it did stuck.

Splitting the task of learning into groups was also very helpful during the process.


Andy
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Get both books, as well as the Aronson books, because you will learn principles for the mem deck from all that are worth your time. Therefore, you can look at all of them and decide what is right for you.

JB
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I have memorized the deck, but I can't seem to remember any routines... Any tips on that one? Smile
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You all amaze me, (I suppose that is what you are meant to do) the amazing amount of time you spend working on the memory deck, in some cases, hours and days.
The memory deck I use and have for years since it first came out, is the Lewis Jones stack.
As he says, and it is true, "Learn the memory-deck in 10 minutes. That is 5 minutes to understand the system and another 5 for afew practise shots.
Just about anything by Lewis Jones is clever and very usable.
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The real question is what kind of a base do you want to build for yourself? Easier doesn't mean better. The Joyal book is easier, the Tamariz book is better. The amount of thought and the sheer number of applications in Mneumonica is incredible. If I had only one book to take to a desert islandk this woud be it.

Personally, I use the Aronson Stack and it took ma about a week to get the basics and about a month to feel really comfortable with it. That was 8 years ago and I continue to study all the applications that can be performed with a cyclical stack. I think the Tamariz book is by far the best ever written on the subject. The only reason I didn't learn his stack, is that I was already using Aronsons.

Take the time to really learn to work with this tool and it will pay HUGE dividends as very few people actually follow through with it. Just look at the fact that there are only three pages in this thread as opposed to the hundreds in all the others. Also once you have the basic stack learned (whice ever one it is) you don't need a deck to practice and stay sharp. Half an hour a day in the care drilling in the order of the stack and you will have it in a week.

Good luck

Paul
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I believe some of the tricks involving the Mnemonica stack order and their reset do not even require the entire memorization of the deck. I was just toying around with the setup / deconstruction of the stack to be able to perform the any poker hand called for, then the reset, followed by another poker deal, or rummy exhibition, then reset again, followed by the resetting of the deck back to an A-K CDHS order. There are tricks inside mnemonica which are down right impressive, and do not need the memorization of the entire deck.
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I've been using the Tamariz stack for years. I tried learning it using the method in his book but it didn't work for me.
I guess different minds work different. I learned it by the brute force method, about 10 cards at a time. It took a month.
The good thing is you can learn and practice without cards, so just fill in those spare moments in your day.
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Try reading the good stuff!!!
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I read a lot of good stuff, Harry, and your books are some of the best.
When I saw you replied I thought you were going to say, "no need for a mem deck".
Probably true with your skills.

Stay well!
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On Jul 8, 2019, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Try reading the good stuff!!!


Exactly! Read the good stuff!

If Mnemonica can be considered the Bible of memdeck work, I do not really perform the stack dependent routines in it.... But you cannot afford not to possess and study this masterpiece.

More good stuff which is an absolute must read , IMHO of course, are the works of Pit Hartling and Denis Behr on memorised decks.

Aragon and Redford and, obviously Aronson, are worth further study.
Last, but not least, I cannot recommend Matt Baker's Buena Vista Shuffle Club book enough. Great memdeck work. His Card College routine (with an add on and a change in presentation) soon became my mem deck parlour routine #2 in my repertoire. It's fantastic!

Mark
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If you have learned to Faro shuffle you can go from NDO to Memonica in about 3 minutes of shuffling. The method is described in the book Memonica.
It seemed impossible at first, but once my Faros became reliable (thanks, Michael Close) so did this stack.

I open a new deck of Bikes, comment on how slippery they are before being broken in, then apparently shuffle them.
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The Six-Hour Memorized Deck was my entry point into memorized deck work, it is very easy to learn and that will get you out there doing some amazing stuff with it.

Having then decided to get Mnemonica with a view to only really using the stack independent parts, I ended up deciding to switch to Mnemonica stack since my faro was pretty solid and I thought being able to shuffle into a memorized stack was utterly ridiculous.

For my money get both and start with the six-hour deck, it will absolutely give you the confidence that you can memorize a stack and some really awesome stuff to get going with.
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On Jul 8, 2019, mlippo wrote:
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Exactly! Read the good stuff!

If Mnemonica can be considered the Bible of memdeck work, I do not really perform the stack dependent routines in it.... But you cannot afford not to possess and study this masterpiece.

More good stuff which is an absolute must read , IMHO of course, are the works of Pit Hartling and Denis Behr on memorised decks.

Aragon and Redford and, obviously Aronson, are worth further study.
Last, but not least, I cannot recommend Matt Baker's Buena Vista Shuffle Club book enough. Great memdeck work. His Card College routine (with an add on and a change in presentation) soon became my mem deck parlour routine #2 in my repertoire. It's fantastic!

Mark


+1. Excellent advice
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