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Marcus001 New user 87 Posts |
Hi guys.
I've been studying the Sleeve Aces effect (an original Earl Neason idea, I believe) as detailed in the ETMCM series. I love the production of the first two aces. It looks clean, elegant and magical. I have a problem with the 2nd phase and I want to be careful here not to expose. I don't like the idea of having to get that break under two cards. With the position you have your hands it's not always so smooth and you're there for a beat longer than you should. I'm sure you know what I mean if you handle this effect as demonstrated on the video. Has anyone come up with an alternative way of producing the last two aces from the position the beginning of phase 2? If anyone want to PM instead of posting on the forum, that's fine. I'm grateful for your assistance. Mark |
bdekolta Inner circle Texas 1636 Posts |
I would start by tracking down a copy of Earl Nelson's "Variations" book. See how he handles the routine. Plus you will have many other fine routines to work through. Earl credits Al Leech's "Discovery of Aces" as his starting point.
The break you are asking about is really a form of the hit double lift. One of the better descriptions of that can be found in the "Stars of Magic". The little things that make that move work will help here too. Done properly you should have no hesitation. Hope that helps. |
Marcus001 New user 87 Posts |
Thank you bdekolta.
I will indeed track that book down. On the subject of the break one must establish and the 'hit double'. This sounds like the familiar strike double(?) where the cards are taken from the side at the top of the deck. This particular handling of Sleeve Aces requires you to take a double from the bottom of the right half of the deck whilst holding the other half of the deck in your left hand. I'm not sure how the 'hit double' (if my understanding of this sleight is correct) would help, if you follow me. Am I off the mark here? I will track that book down and I thank you for your input. Cheers Marcus |
bdekolta Inner circle Texas 1636 Posts |
I was going from memory of Earl Nelson's description in his book when I wrote that. I have not seen any of the ETMCM series. The handling may have changed. I just ran through the handling and it indeed is a "hit" double. No funny moves or pauses.
The "hit" and "strike" are descriptions of the same move. Hope that helps. |
theAmazinbryan Regular user 127 Posts |
I love this routine as well an just ask my a magic teacher last night about this !
He suggested doing a Marlo move of pushing over a card 2x with your pinky to catch them !it work well for him but I'm going to give it some time LMK how it gos Bryan |
Kevin Fox New user 80 Posts |
I Use the Leach routine with a Gordon Bruce begining (the spectator shuffles at the begining,) both routines have their strengths but Gordon's bit makes it a miracle. I hope he never publishes it.
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
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On 2006-12-07 14:13, Kevin Fox wrote: You little tease, Kevin, ... I recall Peter Duffie also has a variant in the odd sized book RK published and I think Mark Elsdon put out a gaffed version through Alakazam which was more or less a packet trick. Paul. |
kerpa Special user Michael Miller 594 Posts |
I am going to post a reply here, because I had the exact same question as Marcus001. It wasn't until I went over this effect with my teacher (I'm an amateur magish), that I realized that Ammar's version makes the technique in question much, much more difficult.
So, now that I have been taught the original version, after having practiced fruitlessly the Ammar version, I can say there isno doubt at all in my mind that the Nelson version is vastly superior - not only for the way it permits the strike double, but also for its ending which is much cleaner, in my opinion. I like the ETMCM series, but I am starting to think I like it more for pointing out some great original effects rather than for the way Ammar at times has "improved" the methods - at least for this particular effect. I am looking forward to getting Variations Revisited. Much as I enjoy DVDs, I recall Max Maven giving an interview 6 years ago in Genii in which he said books are in many ways superior. When combined with a good teacher, I think I agree. Just something to think about. kerpa a/k/a Michael Miller Chicago area
Michael Miller
(Michael Merlin: original family --and stage-- name) |
Wesley James V.I.P. Hazlet, New Jersey 372 Posts |
Gents,
I recently released two variants of Sleeve Aces in the pages of Mojo. One by Randy Wakeman, the other my own. They can both begin from a spectator shuffled deck, since they don't require as elaborate a stack as the Leech or Marlo versions, and they are both technically easier than the Leipzig version yet quite visually appealing, without relying on flourishiness for that visual appeal. One of the versions even creates a stronger ending, in that it builds logically and dramatically on the initial appearances. In sum, the plot is alive and well and continues to be explored and expanded. It is, was and I strongly suspect will continue to be a fine routine that plays very well with lay audiences. Wesley James |
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