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gdw
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Hey Quinn, if it is what I think it is (sorry, just so facinating I couldn't stop thinking about it, but I just have a possible principle not the real workings which I will get once I purchase the script Smile ) then I believe it actually COULD be done with a playing card, you would just have to be very meticulous with, um, the edges of your tears.

I don't think that says too much there does it?
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How do you all compare this to Andrew Mayne's Hypercard...no comparison?
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No comparison, completely different I would say IMO
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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How does this differ from sixten beme's on card link ?
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Beme's is incredible, but is a gaffed card and needs to be set up way before hand. Hypercard is great, and is another incredible piece of thinking. This looks great, just looks a little fussy as a business card is so thin. In my opinion I am still looking for the 'perfect' pasteboard link
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Quinn,
Looks like another purchase is in my future!

Seriously great work! This looks amazing.

Christopher, I think this is as good as it gets. Obviously I do not yet have the manuscript, but my hell; what more could you really want? If it can stump the man who discovered the quark, just imagine the possibilities. A true thinking piece. What a give away!

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GDW, you haven't said too much, because frankly, I can't even tell what you're talking about. Smile Whatever you're thinking may be different than what I've come up with, so run with it.

MagicBrent, I have Hyper Cards (not to be confused with Hypercard, which is something else entirely), and apart from the basic theme of pieces of cardboard linking together, they're nothing alike.

MacGyver, ditto with Beme's link. It's a beauty, and I've done it, but man is it a pain. Also, Beme's link is touted as "examinable," but unless your craftsmanship is really superb, a thorough examination by a spec would probably reveal something it shouldn't. In comparison, I gave a set of Conjunction rings to a good friend of mine, a game designer and lateral-thinking puzzle enthusiast who's incredibly smart, an-alytical (wouldn't it be nice if I didn't have to wrongly hyphenate that?), creative, competitive, and absolutely hates to be fooled by magic tricks, with the explicit challenge to see if he could figure out how I made them. I'm sad to report that he eventually did, but I'm happy to say it took him two solid weeks of daily effort. Since I'm reasonably sure that's more brain power than 99.999% of laymen would be willing to expend, I'm quite comfortable in calling the rings "completely examinable."

Christopher, you're right, Conjunction is not the "perfect" pasteboard link, if there could even be such a thing. In fact, I close the manuscript with a little rant about my disdain for magic effects that call themselves "perfect," "the ultimate," etc. At best, I hope people find this to be a useful and enjoyable thing to do, and that it inspires others to use the principles in ways I never thought of.

Jerome, thanks!
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Jerome, I understand and agree with you. Yes, this looks great and I will get it, I was just pointing out there will always be new ideas etc to be added or perfected or changed, so I will always still be looking for that one better than the last effect
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If you can give this away and have it say "See me do this live for you" around the ring, then have your contact information, I have to say it IS the ultimate,perfect magic topology trick.

Ascension is genius, I know this will be too.
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Quinn:Can Conjunction be done with a let's say... a blank index card?

Best.

Rich
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On 2006-12-17 05:27, Xiqual wrote:
If you can give this away and have it say "See me do this live for you" around the ring...


Ooh, that's nice. That's very nice. That's nice enough that if I do a second printing, I may ask you if I can include it.

And yes, by the way, you can do that.

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On 2006-12-17 05:27, PaleoMagi wrote:
Can Conjunction be done with a let's say... a blank index card?


I haven't tried it, but my guess would be probably not. There may be a way that would involve... well, something I'm not going to talk about here. Smile But if you get it and you're interested in pursuing that angle, let's talk.

[Edited to add: Now that I think about it, I do believe I've seen some index cards that might work. Dang it, now you've given me something else to think about...]

And Christopher... my thoughts exactly.
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Quinn, when and where can we ORDEr this???? Price?
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Quinn, when and where can we ORDEr this???? Price?


I've updated my signature line to help answer those questions.
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In keeping with the spirit of this being a review thread, here is the very first review Conjunction ever received:

"It is sadly by no means uncommon for the wonderful inventions of magic's few genuinely creative minds, who refresh the very life blood of magic with their benign infusions of authentic creative genius, to be copied, pirated, trashed and ruined by inferior souls who, lacking all trace of either creative potency or moral scruples, see fit to rip off their work and present it as their own. Common though this may be, failed pub pianist Joshua Quinn has managed to plumb new depths with this, his latest half-baked re-hash of someone else's work. Raising his middle digit towards the very concept of intellectual property rights, and with seemingly feckless disregard for common decency, Quinn has taken the beauty, elegance and gob-smacking, globally respected brilliance of Ian Rowland's 'FLink' concept, as originally published in 1998 on Rowland's widely praised and witty website, and managed to reduce it to some dreary, yawn-inducing party trick in which you shred a business card to pieces for no reason. If your idea of a good time is to stand around all day boring people to tears while you fumble with their business card and make a mess on the carpet, and at the same time support wanton piracy within the magic community, then this is for you."

–-Ian Rowland


I still feel all warm and fuzzy inside every time I read that...
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All right, due to the large number of PMs I've received in the short time since my last post, I feel I should clarify something before it gets out of hand: Ian's "review" was meant in jest. I had hoped that this would be obvious, but apparently I'm still a little slow with the whole "sarcasm not always translating over the internet" thing. (As someone who's been using email since the 80's, I realize I really should have worked that out by now, but hey, maybe the part of the brain that most people use to distill that information is the part that mine uses to figure out how to link bits of cardboard together.)

I consider myself fortunate to count Ian among my friends, and since it was his work that provided the inspiration for Conjunction, I asked if he would write a foreword for the booklet. He immediately replied, "Sure, here you go," and fired back the above missive in his typical wry fashion. Then once he actually read the manuscript, he kindly supplied the much more complimentary foreword that appears in the book. And I made it clear that while I very much appreciated the proper foreword, I still had every intention of plastering the initial one around as far and wide as I could, simply because I iked it so much.

The perverse side of me almost wanted to just sit back and enjoy the shocked reactions of people who thought it was genuine, but then the side of me that doesn't want to make people think badly of my friends won out.

(Actually, the perverse side only conceded defeat because it realized it has better ways of subtly torturing Ian, but that's another matter...)
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I don't know . . . I thought anything "half baked" was usually pretty good:)

I like Ian's work; though I admit to finding his initial reply a bit odd myself.
Thanks for the clarification.

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On 2006-12-17 11:19, Quinn wrote:
if I do a second printing


Joshua,

You certainly ought to do a second edition, since there's so much hidden potential in this thing. I'm working on a few ideas myself, and as they begin to take shape into usable form, I'll pass them on to you for possible inclusion in a second edition.

Some might ignore this product because of all the time consuming ripping, folding, practice, and other details I won't get into here. That would be a mistake.
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(Actually, the perverse side only conceded defeat because it realized it has better ways of subtly torturing Ian, but that's another matter...)


Could I please know more of the perverse ways of subtly torturing Ian?

And put me down as a firm order. I REALLY want to do this!

Lynne
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On 2006-12-17 05:27, Xiqual wrote:
If you can give this away and have it say "See me do this live for you" around the ring...


Ooh, that's nice. That's very nice. That's nice enough that if I do a second printing, I may ask you if I can include it.

And yes, by the way, you can do that.



Please include it in the second edition with my compliments!!
I am chomping at the bit for this already.
Thanks Joshua,
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I'm pleased to announce that Santa and his reindeer-drawn FedEx truck arrived a bit earlier than expected, so Conjunction is now officially released and ready for purchase here.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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