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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts |
Bill,
loved the summary of your skills LOL. Tom
"But there isn't a door"
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
The solution I found was this. You make a mold in the shape of the wooden item you want. Then you mix equal parts of sawdust and epoxy. Pour the mixture into the mold and let it sit overnight. You will have a lovely woodchip and plastic abomination.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
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Hi Jake I used to own a set of the M-3 Cylinders (I think that's the designation). This set consisted of a large "chop cylinder" and a smaller "chop cylinder" that would fit inside the larger one. (Was this the Mikame' Cylinders to which you referred?) The wooden Mikame' set of cups and balls were beautifully finished on the outside and the inside walls, but the inside bottom (under the saddle) we just rough enough to hold a Goshman sponge ball--something along the lines of a light velcro touch--but a light tap (unlike velcro )would dislodge the ball. I do not think this was intentional in the manufacturing process, but it made for an interesting handling. Julie |
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
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On 2007-06-15 18:34, Bill Palmer wrote: That's a new wand in the market. What's it called, Bill? LOL |
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angeloturn New user 59 Posts |
I have been turning props (pill boxes & ball vases) for years now. The thing I find most important is that the vase and the boxes are turned spindle grain. Thst means when you create a hollow you are turning directly into the end grain....all the time! It is the most difficult way to turn.
There are charts available to help you determine which woods are most stable. These charts compare the radial shrinkage to the tangental shrinkge. The closer you get to a value of one the more stable the wood is. That's why the old timers used Cuban Mahogany to create patterns for casting. The other woods I am aware of that allow even shrinkage are mesquite and box elder. Both woods are very stable. Angelo
Leave no wood unturned.....A
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
I love turning mesquite! I've had luck with claro walnut cups as well but most of the fruit woods need to be stabilized first! Smaller vessels such as ball vases and what I call my micro chop cups I have good luck with redheart, walnut, mahog and my new current favorite birch burl from my buddy up in the Great White North.
Sure wish you'd finish your web site Angelo! Mick |
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
A long while ago, I was looking at a set of khin cups at my local brick-n-mortar. They were great looking and the very last set they had available. I went to go look at them and buy them (they were really inexpensive surprisingly). The dealer behind the counter pulled them out and I looked at them. I decided to pick them up while I was there. Then it happened! The dealer, without looking, set one of the cups mouth down onto another copper cup he had out for some reason. So the copper cup (setting mouth down) went right into the mouth of the Khin wood cup. The copper cup just barely went into the wood cup and got stuck! Wouldn't ya know it, the khin cup cracked all the way down the side of the cup and I returned my wrinkled previously washed currency back into my pocket, sighed and went home.
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Mad Jake Inner circle All the voices in my head helped me make 2200 Posts |
That's odd that the copper cup caused the cup to crack with little force. I have had numerous Khin cups come through here, I refinish them for people and they look like a whole different beast when I'm done.
Khin's cups are made of Asian Rosewood, not a laminate like what comes out of India, but true Asian Rosewood. The Khin cups are very thick walled. Now there could have very well been an inclusion in the wood and the stuck cup was enough to crack it or the cups were sitting so long that they hadn't been properly cared for and the wood was too dry. Joe Porpers wooden cups are very unique in the way they are made, please don't ask how, but Joe figured out a grand way to relieve over all stress on the wood with the cups. Most pieces I have a problem with are the ebonys and the very dense hardwoods. But there are ways to stabalize them, but it's costly and very time consuming. Shrinkage is always an issue and climate as well. Moisture content stated by a vendor isn't always accurate and can cause a real problem too. With proper care, just as with metal cups, wooden cups and props can last a lifetime.
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
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Now there could have very well been an inclusion in the wood and the stuck cup was enough to crack it or the cups were sitting so long that they hadn't been properly cared for and the wood was too dry. This is most likely the case. The cups had been setting around for so long, they could no longer find them as actual "stock" in the computer. My guess, the dried out wood + the size of the man setting the cup down (big guy with some power behind him)= enough force to crack dry wood. I mean, the copper cup was actually stuck inside the wood cup, it would have to "give" somewhere for it to get stuck like it did. I would blame it on poor care of the wood. I have a set of khin flying coin cups (50 cent piece) I found in a "bargain bin" and they are amazing in quality. -DJ |
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Mad Jake Inner circle All the voices in my head helped me make 2200 Posts |
Khin
does beautiful work. The prices he sells for are extrodinary, but then again he doesn't have to pay to have the wood imported either It's like pinewood to the USA. The really time consuming part is the finishing, but it's worth it as the pieces are showcase in most cases because the wood he uses is just full of beautiful grain when you bring it out. Wooden cups are like fine furniture, they need care and upkeep. If you do this you can have some very nice apparatus for a lifetime if you are willing to devote the time to maintain them. -MJ
Licensed Steve Dusheck Manufacturer and distributor visit www.airshipmagic.com
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
Yea, I'm really happy with my flying coin cups! Great craftsmanship. However, the wood cups now, aren't going to work too well with my current routine. So I stopped looking at wooden cups. Not to mention, Khin's work has seemingly become pretty hard to find.
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
Minneapolis Magician Suzanne has been using wooden cups for years. You can see a photo of them on here home page http://www.suzmagic.com/
Al Schneider, on his L&L Publishing DVD set The Al Schneider Technique talks about wooden cups, and gives you the work on Suzanne's final loads. Interesting stuff! http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?m......_id=2066 |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Those are nice cups. I was lucky to get a set myself.
Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I have seen some of Angelo's wood turning at several of the Collectors' conventions. All I can say is that nobody does work that is better and only a couple of people I know are even in the same league.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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angeloturn New user 59 Posts |
Bill,
Thank you. I consider high praise from a fellow as highly esteemed in the field of magic as you are. Angelo
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angeloturn New user 59 Posts |
You can see some of the vases made for the MCA in Chicago follow this link" http://web.me.com/ajiafrate/Site/Welcome.html
All comments wecome A
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I saw most of these in Schaumburg. The photos really don't do them justice.
Angelo made me a really nice set of skittles, too! Thanks, man!
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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