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I just opened a Private Message from Steve Brooks that wished everyone at the Café a Merry Christmas...Thanks but no thanks.

There are aprox. 27,971 members here and not all of them are christian, nor do all of them celebrate christmas.

I feel that if a message like that is ever sent out again, it needs to include the whole spectrum of the "Gift Giving" holidays.


Say what you will, but these are my feelings and I have the right to express them. I also believe that this thread will be taken down before many people can read this, oh well I just hope that this is recieved by the right people.

Steve Brooks,
The gesture was a good one not to mention polite (to those who it included). Please in the future include everyone.



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While I am not a member of the Christian faith, I find no problem with Steve or anyone else wishing me a Merry Christmas. Does it really bother you? Just because you don't celebrate the holiday doesn't mean someone shouldn't be allowed to say "Merry Christmas."

In my opinion, this whole political correctness thing has gone entirely too far. Two years ago back in my high school there were a bunch of physically and mentally challenged kids that were told they weren't allowed to do their candy cane project that they do each year, which is simply designed to help with their dexterity and spread good spirit. Does this seem ridiculous to anyone else?

Steve or anyone else does nothing wrong is wishing whoever he wants a Merry Christmas. But just for you Brett, Happy Holidays.
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I have no problem with saying "merry christmas".

The problem lies with walking up to a (jewish, muslim, athiest, etc) person and saying "Merry Christmas"


That holiday greeting should not be used as a blanket statement.

As to being PC, to make a long story short...I hate the idea of it, but when it comes to religion I respect what others believe...me, I believe in nothing(athiest) but I respect others that have a belief system.


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On 2006-12-24 13:16, Freak Prodigy wrote:
I just opened a Private Message from Steve Brooks that wished everyone at the Café a Merry Christmas...Thanks but no thanks.

There are aprox. 27,971 members here and not all of them are christian, nor do all of them celebrate christmas.

I feel that if a message like that is ever sent out again, it needs to include the whole spectrum of the "Gift Giving" holidays.

Thank You,
Brett Loudermilk


But Brett... what if someone doesn't celebrate ANY holiday this time of year??? Your idea of wishing them a good " gift giving holiday " might offend them????

I got the same PM from Steve. It simply said " Merry Christmas" which is the holiday on tomorrows calendar. How can you be offended by good wishes from anyone? I recently attended a Hannakah party and when someone greeted me with " Happy Hannakah " I thanked them and gave them a Happy Hannakah right back. Maybe I should have said... " No thanks... I'm Christian" ???? I took their greeting in the spirit it was intended and was thankful for it.

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The problem lies with walking up to a (jewish, muslim, athiest, etc) person and saying "Merry Christmas"


Christians don't go around complaining when jews say happy hanukkah. Get over it already.

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If someone doesn't celebrate a GG holiday, they are out of touch with most cultures.

If you know that they do not celebrate any sort of GG holiday, then don't say anything at all...simple as that.


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I guess it's up to Steve Brooks here at the Magic Café. I agree that inclusion of everyone would be great, but we are after all a guest here at the Café Smile
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On 2006-12-24 13:45, Freak Prodigy wrote:
If someone doesn't celebrate a GG holiday, they are out of touch with most cultures.
If you know that they do not celebrate any sort of GG holiday, then don't say anything at all...simple as that.
Brett.


Hi Brett,

Maybe you should ask Steve to remove your GG Holiday wish from this thread just in case some of the 27,973 members are some of those who don't celebrate any GG Holiday. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......32&6

Of course this good natured ribbing is all in fun. You have to expect that when you rain on someones holiday parade. If I waited until next July 4th and posted how upset I was that Steve sent a PM saying " Happy 4th of July" because I am Canadian and we have no such holiday then you'd think I was over reacting. LOL

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Tim
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Merry Christmas Tim!!!



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Here's the way to solve it...

"Happy Secular or non-Secular Holiday of Your Choice Everyone!"

Brett,

I don't know your background. Perhaps though, instead of panning someone who says Merry Christmas, you might wish them a Blessed Kwanzaa or Happy Hanakuah.

And in the long run, remember this is a private message board with a private owner. If he sent out something to everyone saying, Happy Winter Solstice that's okay.

As for being inclusive. That's a bit of a crock. Nobody needs to be all-inclusive in their holiday wishes just because "someone" might get offended.

What comes next - churches not allowed to display a nativity outdoors because someone driving by may get irritated?

A Jewish family being prohibited from displaying a menorah because some family down the block doesn't share their same faith?

Really, it's time we all took a step back and chill out on the "offensive" religion thing.

Merry Christmas everyone.

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Here is my slant.... I think it is OK to say "Merry Christmas" on Christmas, "Happy Hanukah" on Hanukah, "Good Yule" on Yule, "Happy Good Friday" on Good Friday, "Good Samhain" on Samhain, "Jouyous Tibettian Butter Festival" on the Tibettan Butter Festival, and "Happy Tuesday" on Tuesday.

It bothers me more than anything else that Soooooo many people have taken offense at a well-wish, that we all seem to have to walk on egg shells when we give someone a well-wish.

If someone was intentionally trying to exclude someone (inviting a Othodox Jewish friend to dinenr and only serving pork) or place them in an unfcomfortable place (Having a pagan friend over and insisting that they go attend communion) that would be different.

But, generally, I really think people are well-meaning in their greetings around these times of year, and I appreciate the thought. Even if it comes in a "flavour" that I don't particularly align with, I take it with the intent it was given.
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Political Correctness - It's destroying a once great nation. Peace on Earth, Good Will Towards Men begins with tolerance and compassion. No man can be all things to all men.

Merry Christmas and Best of the Holidays to all!

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On 2006-12-24 13:37, Freak Prodigy wrote:
I have no problem with saying "merry christmas".

The problem lies with walking up to a (jewish, muslim, athiest, etc) person and saying "Merry Christmas"


That holiday greeting should not be used as a blanket statement.

As to being PC, to make a long story short...I hate the idea of it, but when it comes to religion I respect what others believe...me, I believe in nothing(athiest) but I respect others that have a belief system.


Brett.


I'm an atheist too, but I always wonder about another atheist who has such problems with words... They're just words... trust me, they are not going to change your belief system one bit. Just say Thank You and move on.

By the way, "Thanks, Steve... and a Merry Christmas to you, too." Believe it or not, I'm still an atheist.

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On 2006-12-24 13:45, Freak Prodigy wrote:
If someone doesn't celebrate a GG holiday, they are out of touch with most cultures.


That was an incredibly arrogant and ignorant statement. "Most cultures" is a reference to what? You cannot make a claim about something that you don't know about. There is a list longer than you can imagine of cultures that have beliefs so far from that of the traditional ones we like to think of in this country, atheist and agnostic included. What you said just there was ignorant and disrespectful. If you truly believe that, then you are the one who is out of touch.
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On 2006-12-24 14:52, leapinglizards wrote:
Here is my slant.... I think it is OK to say "Merry Christmas" on Christmas, "Happy Hanukah" on Hanukah, "Good Yule" on Yule, "Happy Good Friday" on Good Friday, "Good Samhain" on Samhain, "Jouyous Tibettian Butter Festival" on the Tibettan Butter Festival, and "Happy Tuesday" on Tuesday.

It bothers me more than anything else that Soooooo many people have taken offense at a well-wish, that we all seem to have to walk on egg shells when we give someone a well-wish.

If someone was intentionally trying to exclude someone (inviting a Othodox Jewish friend to dinenr and only serving pork) or place them in an unfcomfortable place (Having a pagan friend over and insisting that they go attend communion) that would be different.

But, generally, I really think people are well-meaning in their greetings around these times of year, and I appreciate the thought. Even if it comes in a "flavour" that I don't particularly align with, I take it with the intent it was given.

You said it rignt on! Merry Christmas to you Smile
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I've been out Christmas shopping these last few days. I tell every sales clerk I meet, "Merry Christmas". To suggest that I preface my well-wishes with an interrogation of their religious beliefs strikes me as beyond silly.

It is, however, gravely disappointing to receive the reply, "You, too." It was almost universal this year.

Oh, and recall that Scrooge, at the end of the story - was wishing everyone a Merry Christmas (well, Happy Christmas, to be exact), and bestowing largesse left and right. I hope, Brett, that you are, in fact, a Scrooge. Merry Christmas.
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On 2006-12-24 15:58, S2000magician wrote:
I tell every sales clerk I meet, "Merry Christmas". To suggest that I preface my well-wishes with an interrogation of their religious beliefs strikes me as beyond silly.

It is, however, gravely disappointing to receive the reply, "You, too." It was almost universal this year.

It seems equally silly to me for you to expect everyone to respond to you in kind, especially when many of the clerks / sales people you meet probably do not share your beliefs and, even if they do, they probably hear the "Merry Christmas" greeting several hundred if not thousands of times a day. No wonder they abbreviate their reply to "You, too".

Before people jump to label me as anti-Christian or anti-Christmas, let me add that I'll be off to the Christmas Eve service this evening, and I have no problem with people saying Merry Christmas to others; I do it all the time.
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Merry Dr. Xmass everyone!

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On 2006-12-24 15:58, S2000magician wrote:
I tell every sales clerk I meet, "Merry Christmas". To suggest that I preface my well-wishes with an interrogation of their religious beliefs strikes me as beyond silly.

It is, however, gravely disappointing to receive the reply, "You, too." It was almost universal this year.

It seems equally silly to me for you to expect everyone to respond to you in kind . . . .

I don't recall suggesting that I expected everyone to respond in kind; or that I expected anyone to respond in kind. I did neither.
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Steve can wish me Merry Christmas, even though I don't think much of it and would rather avoid everything about it. I'm glad to receive his good wishes for something that's meaningful to him, just as if he announced "My daughter just got engaged!" - I really don't know his daughter and the news doesn't mean a thing to me, but he's happy and more power to him.

Think of the old joke: guy goes to confession - "Father, I've moved in with this gorgeous young babe, we have wild sex three times a day, and we're not married." "Say three Hail Marys." "Oh, I'm not Catholic." "Then what are you doing in here?" "I'm telling EVERYBODY!"

So wish me Choppy Channukah, Kooky Kwanzaa, Solvent Solstice, Ravenous Ramadan, Delightful Diwali, With-It Saint Swithin's Day, or whatever ... I really don't give a rat's patoot about any of them, but I am glad to hear that you're happy and I'll receive that news with a smile.
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