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Jaz
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'Criss-Cross Force'.
'Hindu Force'.
Ed Balducci’s 'Cut Deeper Force'.
'Riffle Force'.
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On 2007-06-23 17:32, JSBLOOM wrote:
Will this work?
Have card to be forces, face up 2nd from top.
Have spectator pick up a block and turn them face up and place on top.



Could you elaborate a little more? with the exception of the reversed card you just described the first action in Ed Balducci's "Cut-Deeper" force.
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I say it all rides on the trick you are presenting.. The only time I force a jumbo card is after I show the deck to be all queens of clubs, unknown to my helper..

The comedic aspect of this covers the blatant force I use.. I just slide down the top card an inch in my hand and ''second deal'' every card showing its face to the audience.. This is funny...

Whenever they say stop I replace the top card correctly and voila.. their selected card...

If not.... what could be more fair then letting a spectator cut to any card??? criss cross is a fooler... no doubt about it...
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If I am correct in this... please don't crucify me if Im wrong because I'm not a magical history wiz, but is it the Hofzinger spread force where your forcing the bottom card which the spectator thinks is the same card they touched on? Again I may be wrong on this, but I think Copperfield uses it for his Scorpion effect in his current show...

anyway... feel free to correct me if Im wrong, I have a tough exoskeleton (sp?) Did I mention I'm as bad at spelling as I am at magical history?!?!
...for the 51st time... that is NOT my card...
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I have used a Jumbo sets of Marked Bicycle cards for many years. This has worked well for me.

I seem to recall the name of the person that designed my sets as being "Kozar". I believe I bought them from the Camirand Academy way back when it had first opened shop in Longeuil, Quebec... but I'm dating myself.

They have served me well.

Just as an aside --I use standard Bicycle decks (unmarked) for almost all of my routines. The classic force is my M.O. in almost all situations. Works for me 99.999 percent of the time.

On the very rare occasion, it doesn't work, I have many (many) outs.

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Classic with a jumbo?? How do you go about?
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Where could I buy jumbo cards with say, 26 or 52 duplicate cards? For a force deck of my own.

The bigger problem is that I need it to be the 3 of hearts. I don't know how I will find somewhere that sells a particular card that's duplicated.
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Eric,

Although a not-so classic/classic force "is" possible with a Jumbo deck, I meant to say that I prefer using a regular size deck with a classic force.

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Mark Mason has a nice force that can be done using a jumbo deck; in fact, I've seen it used in a competition the day after Mark's lecture.
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Using an ungimmicked deck?
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On 2007-09-04 18:37, Eric Leclerc wrote:
Using an ungimmicked deck?


Yep, ungimmicked. I'm not sure I'd try that myself, but it works.
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I found this thread in a search. I have a need to force 3 cards from a NORMAL jumbo deck. I recently picked up an old Albenice Rising Card Houlette. It works perfectly, and I'd like to use it.

The best idea I seem to have at the moment is to use the Criss-Cross Force and have the top 3 in a row selected. Any other ideas?
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The fan force is particularly easy with a jumbo deck and you seem to get the three cards you need from random locations in the deck. Just to refresh your memory, the three cards to be forced are on the bottom (or get shuffled or placed there during your handling of the deck). You spread out a fan face down to have a card selected and simply tell the spectator to touch one card in the fan. Slide the first force card beneath the spot where he touched and separate the fan there, pushing the forced card out to replace the one he touched. You can do this for each of the three cards simply by going to spectators in different parts of the audience so no one sees what you are doing more than once.

If you need more description than that, you'll find the fan force described in detail with photos in The e-Book on "Forcing for First Years" in The Wizards' Journal #8 on my site. Not that you're a First Year Student, by any means.
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A variant of the Hofzinser Spread Force? The deck seems to be a bit cumbersome, but I'll play. Thanks!
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One way to bring the jumbo deck down to size is to start with the three force cards on the top of the deck, give it a false shuffle and/or cut and hand the deck to a spectator. Ask the spectator to think of a number between ten and twenty and to deal off that number of cards face-down into your hand. Now you have a smaller pack of cards to work with the the spectator has conveniently placed the three force cards on the bottom of the pack for you. There's more than one way to skin a Hofzinser.
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Good thinking... thanks. I will need to do this with a pared down deck anyway, as the card houlette will hold about a full deck, but with the rising gimmick in place, that cuts down on available space.

The deck I'm using is new, so I may even treat them with fanning powder to see if that aids in the handling.
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It is not difficult to Hindu Shuffle jumbo cards, the force card is on the bottom, as you shuffle ask the spectator to say stop, when he does, show the bottom card.
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Do you Hindu Shuffle onto a table? Maybe I have HUGE Jumbos or tiny hands, but there's no way I can Hindu shuffle to that the cards fall into my palm.

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They should not be falling into your palm, even with a normal sized deck. They should be falling into your claw. Spread your fingers out and make a claw with them. That's what keeps them from falling to the table. Tilt your hands downward and away from you so that gravity forces them to fall into your claw and not slip out from the back of your hand.
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I think I'm doing what you say, but with Jumbo deck, my thumb and middle (or ring) finger can't reach around the sides of the deck from underneath in order to pull off packets from the top and let them fall into what's left of my claw.

I'm not trying to be ornery, I truly am not able to figure out what/how you're doing this with a big deck. I love the Hindu Shuffle force, and it would be great to be able to use that with my jumbo deck.

This is not my video, but it shows more or less what I do with a regular deck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSJuqr8ZerM

Thanks,
Daniel
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